The dog whisperer aka Cesar

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Am abit shocked that people actually use him for training their dogs. I'm pretty sure his method for dealing with a dog aggressive dog will lead to more problems, he put what looked like (didn't see start) a prong collar on whenever dog got near another dog owner had to tug on lead. At one point dog then seemed to nearly aim a growl at his owner after he received a tug on the lead, he methods don't seem to deal with the problem only mask it by inhumane methods. Feel very sorry for the dogs he works with :(

Oh and what's with his doggy backpacks he seems to put on everydog, which he then loads with water bottles. :/
Current dog just needs more exercise and stimulation but his solution for this is the doggy backpack, poor dog looks worried tail completly tucked under body :(

I however love Victoria Stillmans programs and she actually helps to rectify a problem :)
 
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Have just found the previous Cesar threads ;) oops
Can I ask does NHers mean Natural horsemanship? :)
Does that include Clicker :p
 
Yet weirdly, we always said his pack set up would be the perfect solution for Zak. I do like his philosophy of discipline and exercise. (I don't mean alpha rolling) I think he's made some serious errors of judgement, like with the lab bitch who bit him, but he also appears to have rehabilitated many dogs and has some basic good ideas eg consistency.
 
cinnamontoast said:
, but he also appears to have rehabilitated many dogs and has some basic good ideas eg consistency.
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He doesnt advertise the ones who fail. He talks the talk, but just watch one of his shows with the sound off and you will soon see that what he says doesnt match what he does and is happening
 
cinnamontoast said:
I do like his philosophy of discipline and exercise. (I don't mean alpha rolling).
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This.

I have used a prong collar on ONE dog under supervision from a trainer. It was a short term solution but it worked in the long term (I liken it to swapping from a snaffle to a gag and back to a snaffle).
 
Annette4 said:
This.

I have used a prong collar on ONE dog under supervision from a trainer. It was a short term solution but it worked in the long term (I liken it to swapping from a snaffle to a gag and back to a snaffle).
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A friend of mine also used a prong collar as a short term solution when she took on a very disturbed doberman, he was a big strong boy who had some serious mental health issues as a result of previous abuse.

He's still a handful but doesn't need the collar anymore. I think that they are awful things but understood why she took the steps that she did, as it was a dangerous situation.

There are some aspects of Cesar's training that I like - such as giving dogs plenty of exercise, mental stimulation & the importance of calm positive energy but I don't like the rolling over thing that he does, I also remember seeing a dog with what looked like an electric collar on in the back ground when they went to his place once, which put me off him.

I watched a The Dog Whisperer this week, which featured a pitbull, at the end of the episode the dog had it's tail between it's legs & looked very uncomfortable, the dog was in a family home, he didn't comment on it's body language but I thought it looked potentailly dangerous to have such a big, powerful & clearly unstable dog around children.
 
I think it's ok to take pieces from different training methods so long as they don't contradict another method if you know what I mean? There are certain aspects of his information that make sense, but for the most part I would not advocate using him for all your training needs. There are more modern ways now which are more effective on most dogs.

But some day the methods which are considered good now may be considered out of date and old fashioned. Time marches on.
 
PucciNPoni said:
I think it's ok to take pieces from different training methods so long as they don't contradict another method if you know what I mean? There are certain aspects of his information that make sense, but for the most part I would not advocate using him for all your training needs. There are more modern ways now which are more effective on most dogs.

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Just about every time that I've watched Milan he's performing corrective work, and following on from the mess that others have made. He also, it seems to me, 'many' of those which he takes on are those breeds which would hardly be described as suitable family pets.

In the event that a puppy learns from the outset, then there would be no need for 'correction' and so there'd be no need for anyone to attempt to copy or imitate him, which in itself is rarely advisable.

Alec.
 
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Alec Swan said:
Just about every time that I've watched Milan he's performing corrective work, and following on from the mess that others have made. He also, it seems to me, 'many' of those which he takes on are those breeds which would hardly be described as suitable family pets.

In the event that a puppy learns from the outset, then there would be no need for 'correction' and so there'd be no need for anyone to attempt to copy or imitate him, which in itself is rarely advisable.

Alec.
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Yeh, know what you mean about unsuitable pet choices and all that.

As a groomer I meet all kinds of dogs - and many kinds of dog owners. I don't use his harsh handling methods but then there are times that a response is necessary from a dog that just isn't listening at all. So I wonder about how those dogs are being handled at home and how to safely groom a pet which runs roughshod over me, the owner, the vet etc...apart from sedation! My recommendation is never to watch an episode or two of Cesar, nor is it to recommend them to the Mexican chap near me who claims that he taught Cesar everything he knows. I usually try to find someone that will do positive reinforcement training.

Calm assertiveness is something I believe does work. It's one of "his" mantras. Also, on occasion I have "caught" myself SSSSHHHIING a dog a few times that otherwise was somewhere else mentally. But I don't think it's a magical word lol But if someone were to pass at an unfortunate moment they might think i'm a Ceasarite.
 
I don't think he is any different tio my approach to any trainer whether it's horse or dog, pick out the bits you like and ditch the bits you don't . I very rarely have found someone I've clung on to every word from.
 
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