The effects of Joint Ill on a joint .... pics!

Ariella

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Here is the link for a page I just did up on our site to show off just what happens to a joint that is affected by Joint Ill........

Joint Ill is NOT hereditary, it is an infection that gets in to foals - its considered that the normal method of it getting in is via the navel - however it CAN get in through broken skin on rare occasions too.......

This CAN happen even if ALL care is taken - umbilical stumps washed and iodined, mare washed down immediately after birth, udder and legs cleaned etc before the foal stands and sucks.......

It is a most unfortunate thing that can happen to anyone in the breeding game.

Quite often it results in the foal being put down. There are some cases who fully recover, and there are some cases who recover enough to be 'paddock sound' and future breeding prospects......

This is what happened with our TB stallion we had until May 2006 when he suddenly went sore on his 'bad' leg and we made the decision to put him to sleep rather than let him continue in pain.

http://www.geocities.com/cmsporthorses/JointIll.html

We bought him in 2004 at a sale........ the only other person bidding on him was a friend of ours - who didnt realise that I was the person he was bidding against. lol..... He realised and said "Oh, do you want him?" I said "Yep!" so he stopped!

We saw past his fused fetlock and saw what a lovely looking horse he really was, and liked his temperament for what it appeared to be in the yard - it was worth taking a chance on him.

We got him home, he got off the truck and saw the girls two paddocks away and jumped the 5 ft fence around the stallion paddock like it wasnt even there - keep in mind it was 53*C in the shade at 10am ...... we were LESS than impressed about having to separate horses.... we decided it was easier on such a hot day to just separate out the ones who WERENT the ones we wanted in foal to him! Obviously the leg didnt stop him jumping! lol

So once we got horses sorted out it was all good.

We fell in love with his easy going temperament and he was such a good boy.... so easy to handle.....

He got kicked in the face by one of the mares who had a bug up her butt and was obviously NOT going to say yes at that very moment - oops! Poor bugger..... he got a crack in his jaw as a result so had another lump to add to his collection!

He was never a 'fat' horse, always just a touch on the lean side of what I am used to having our horses, but not 'skinny' by any means either!

His leg never bothered him at all until 3 weeks before we put him down. He was still able to serve his girls, run around the paddock and prance around showing off at times without any sign of pain - just a slightly funny gait because that fetlock was fused and he didnt have the movement in it.... his leg kind of swung out.......

As soon as he went sore, we made the decision to put him down...... there is no way in heck I would ever leave a horse in pain in our paddocks..... its not fair on them at all........

So, if you hear of a horse who has had Joint Ill as a foal and they have a thickened joint, theres a damn good chance that the kind of thing thats going on in the joint in our photos is whats happened to the horse in question......

If you take on a mare as a broodmare prospect that has had joint ill, dont expect to have a long life out of it - if you get one or two foals before she goes 'sore' then you have done well.

There is no going back once it has calcified...... you can only hope to get a few good years out of them.

Dont even consider one that hasnt fully recovered and been cleared with Xrays by a vet as a riding prospect.

Anyhow, thought you guys might be interested in just what goes on inside the joint of a horse who had joint ill!

Oh, eventually we will get around to putting a comparison set of photos up there next to that joint..... just so you can see a 'good' joint..... but the only one we have that is good is in the freezer completely intact still......
 

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Thats really useful, thanks! Glad to hear he had a happy/pain free life for as long as he did!

People should realise how serious it is tho, the photos are great.
 

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Thank you very much for posting those photos, & may I congratulate you both on your vision when you brought the horse, & the speed with which you made your brave decision not to let him continue in pain.
 

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Adding my admiration for your judgement in the purchase and also your compassion in your decision to let him go.

The pictures are appalling and fascinating - particularly as I am in the process of preparing two legs as specimen exhibits! My two are of healthy legs but unfortunately one set is off being mounted and the other set is still too intact for meaningful photos.
 

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Thanks really interesting pics!
We saved one mare who had joint ill as a foal but it cost s £1300 in vet's fees even though she was nursed at home. The antibiotics needed had to go in via a port and were really expensive. She is still competing and as such has shown no ill effects on X Rays.
Two years ago a beautiful colt (in fact the best we have ever bred) got trodden on the day he was born and an infection set in. We fought like fury to save him but it spread to his shoulders (hock joints were flushed out ) and we were mortified to discover the extent of the damage when we did a PM. The infection had literally started to eat away his bones. He was pea green inside and we were so glad we had decided enough was enough and had him euthanised.
Now if anything gets even the slightest cut when new born we give a-biotics, plus we are as quick as possible to spray the umbilical area after birth.
Most things horses get I take in my stride, but joint ill is like cancer, even the name scares you.
 

Ariella

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Thanks guys!
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Glad your mare is going great there Henryhorn...... sorry to hear about your colt though.

3 1/2 months ago our 3rd foal for the season was born (our foaling season is August - January) and happened to be our most expensive one too.

At 24 hours old I went out to find him with a swelling around his umbilical stump, and he was a little 'warm'......

I thought "OH POOP!" (well something much stronger than that! lol), we stuck him with some antibiotics right away and called the vet (3 hours away) and had a chat with them....

I had horrid thoughts going through my head and the best possible scenario that was going through my brain was a Patent Urachus....... was HOPING thats what it was..... (as he was a little damp around the stump)....

This was a foal we had washed the mare down with iodine scrub as soon as he was born, had iodined the stump, washed the mares udder, legs and anywhere he might try to suck on etc all down too........We were there when he was born obviously - in fact hubby had to give him a pull as one shoulder was back a bit and he was stuck! BIG foal! ( 3/4 Cleveland Bay)

Thankfully the vet confirmed what we thought of putting him on a course of antibiotics and keeping a close eye on him.....

Within 48 hours the swelling had dissapeared ....WHEW.....

So after his 5 day course of injections we finally put him and his mum out in the paddock......

I cant tell you how relieved I was that it was just a little navel infection in the end.....

I figured that if ONE person found out something new about Joint Ill by my posting this thread, then it would be worth while!
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I figured that if ONE person found out something new about Joint Ill by my posting this thread, then it would be worth while!
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I have certainly found out something new...had never heard of it before and now I slightly intrigued and have 'googled' it!! So have actually found out lots of new things and its all thanks to you mentioning it in the first place!
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