the livery saga part 2..

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oh it gets worse... I swear its almost entertaining.

Girl on the yard is 13, her mate is 12. 12 year old C begs parents for a pony for xmas.. 2 weeks prior to the event! Parents pull out all stops to find her one. Except, C has been riding at a school for 12 months absolute maximum; has no concept of looking after one except a few days at our yard with her friend. They have an absolute maximum of 1k to spend and want something bombproof and safe.

They go out looking & last week announce they want someone to go with them for a second look at a cob; which is 4 years old!
Everyone tries to put them off; but they insist.. & someone goes to ride it. Pony is actually 3, can be sat on & has walked & trotted. It has no idea of how to canter or what rider means when asking for canter..

Its being collected on Saturday & brought to the yard. YO's are really pleased about it coming, no concerns aired etc.

Pony has never been wormed, parents are totally non horsey, clueless in fact..

Is it me or is this just a disaster waiting to happen?!
Oh, its having the stable one up from next to mine.
 
Depends really on a support network if any.

If they've asked the YO for support and help, have a trainer/RI lined up etc then personally I don't see any problem.

A 12 year old first time owner can sometimes know more than a 30 odd year old first time owner. I assume the 13 year old friend will help too?
 
But surely a just backed 3year old is not suitable for ANY first owner?
I agree with you Hayley - disaster waiting to happen! Is anyone going to be helping them with it?
 
Oh, well in that case, yes I would be concerned.

There's not much you can do apart from intervene if anything dangerous is about to happen.
 
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But surely a just backed 3year old is not suitable for ANY first owner?
I agree with you Hayley - disaster waiting to happen! Is anyone going to be helping them with it?

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Her non horsey parents seem quite keen to fuss around, but I'm not sure about 'help' as such.

When questioned about worming; the girl said "Its not got worms, so the dealer says it doesnt need to be done & its never been done".

She was told to give it a 5 day panacur guard & leave it in for 6 days- that'll be interesting.

YO-J asked would I leave my pony in "to keep it company because it will be by itsself and D doesnt really mind not going out"...

No was my response.
 
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, I have almost 25 yrs exp and took on a three year old lightly backed and it was hard work for me, I hope nothing to serious goes wrong
 
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Oh, well in that case, yes I would be concerned.

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Thats not my responsibility to do so though; surely anyone with an ounce of common sense can see this is dangerous & wouldn't allow it onto their yard.
 
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Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, I have almost 25 yrs exp and took on a three year old lightly backed and it was hard work for me, I hope nothing to serious goes wrong

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I think we are all hoping the same; I wouldn't take this mare on in all honesty after taking on a green 6 YO when I was 15.. that was hard enough (I'm 21 now)

Its going to end in either a serious accident, or at best a kid with no confidence.. but the parents won't see this.
 
Well volunteered!!

Bear in mind that the YO has a statutory duty of care, regardless of whether they are horsey or not.....

Maybe suggest the girls join the local pony club and maybe even suggest a local instructor who can help/advise - perhaps say something like "I have a really good instructor who helps in all manner of ways, with feeding etc and here is her number/someone similar - I wouldn't be without them" sort of thing.

Also please please suggest that they join the BHS and ensure that they have adequate insurance in the event of disaster. Maybe you could get some leaflets and stuff and hand to parents - they would really appreciate some help - they don't know what they don't know....

Good luck!
 
Not if there is a suitable support network. It's all dependant upon the person and the horse/pony.

Not all first time owners are a disaster waiting to happen.

I'm a first time owner with a 4 year old backed 7 months ago. I'm in my late 30's and have a horsey family - oh yes and I can ride
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Molly is professionally schooled once a week, I have lessons on her twice a week.

But if you generalise, then I shouldn't own her
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It really does depend on the circumstances.
 
Better buy them a couple of books, one on pony care and the other on riding a young pony and give them to them and suggest that they read them.

My sister had this, when someone bought a new pony but had little or no idea. She gave them the Manual of Horsemanship I think, to borrow and she did notice that they altered things, so had obviously read it and taken notice.

The girl went on to do national junior showjumping, so they ended up doing some things right!

You have to be careful in case that the offered help is seen as interferring, but surely they would be grateful for any offered advice.
 
YO just makes the parents sign a disclaimer saying they are responsible for the child & the contract you have to sign states YO's take no responsibility for the ponies. So I'm not sure how liability would work.

13 year old child went to pony club a few times but 'doesnt like lessons' and 'horse is naughty' (she has a 16 YO that isnt schooled at all just evades her constantly).

Have suggested that she does pony for day/part loans before buying & that she keeps on with lessons & has SM lessons but the parents just don't listen.. they think they know best.
I'm not sure leaflets would change anything.
 
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Oh, well in that case, yes I would be concerned.

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Thats not my responsibility to do so though; surely anyone with an ounce of common sense can see this is dangerous & wouldn't allow it onto their yard.

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No it isn't your responsibility but you have two choices, get involved or don't get involved.

Have you voiced your concerns to the YO?
 
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Oh, well in that case, yes I would be concerned.

There's not much you can do apart from intervene if anything dangerous is about to happen.

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Thats not my responsibility to do so though; surely anyone with an ounce of common sense can see this is dangerous & wouldn't allow it onto their yard.

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No it isn't your responsibility but you have two choices, get involved or don't get involved.

Have you voiced your concerns to the YO?

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Everyones expressed thier concerns to the parents YO etc.. but YO's are happy for it to happen

The thing is; its not a case of *not* getting involved when the YO expects that you'll help-no questions asked.
I don't want any involvement with the child or pony, as horrible as that sounds, I'm just concerned its an incredibly dangerous situation to be putting other horses, liveries & the child in question in.
 
Make sure they don't try and drag u into anything - if anything goes wrong they might try to blame you for it. Any luck finding a new place?
 
of course its a disaster waiting to happen, but at least its not your direct problem. I'd be tempted to buy C a couple of "how to care for your pony" books as a welcome aboard present, but short of that, there isn't really much you can do.
 
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Oh, well in that case, yes I would be concerned.

There's not much you can do apart from intervene if anything dangerous is about to happen.

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Thats not my responsibility to do so though; surely anyone with an ounce of common sense can see this is dangerous & wouldn't allow it onto their yard.

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No it isn't your responsibility but you have two choices, get involved or don't get involved.

Have you voiced your concerns to the YO?

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Everyones expressed thier concerns to the parents YO etc.. but YO's are happy for it to happen

The thing is; its not a case of *not* getting involved when the YO expects that you'll help-no questions asked.
I don't want any involvement with the child or pony, as horrible as that sounds, I'm just concerned its an incredibly dangerous situation to be putting other horses, liveries & the child in question in.

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I've just had a quick flick through your other thread.

I'm in Cheshire by the way, if you google liveries in Cheshire there's plenty there. It's a pity you're not looking a bit further south in Cheshire, we've got some room on my yard.

If I were in your position, I would leave some sort of riding/horse manuel outside of their stable (I wouldn't let anyone see me leaving it) and maybe print off some info from the BHS website about any courses they have.
 
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I'm off to look at somewhere this evening, feeling VERY tempted to say yes, but taking OH to keep me grounded.

I might dig out some books & ask her if she'd like them..
 
If the pony's got the right temperament it might just surprise you. Many of these young un-educated cob types end up in the hands of total novices and cope unbelievably well. If I were you I would liase with the other liveries and agree on a worming program that you can all stick to. Otherwise just leave a few basic horse management books lying around and hope she looks in them from time to time. People that aren't willing to make an effort and try to learn annoy the hell out of me. Sounds like the parents are a waste of time but if I were you I'd try to be friendly towards the girl and hopefully she'll ask you for advice before she attempts anything too dangerous.
 
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Oh, well in that case, yes I would be concerned.

There's not much you can do apart from intervene if anything dangerous is about to happen.

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Thats not my responsibility to do so though; surely anyone with an ounce of common sense can see this is dangerous & wouldn't allow it onto their yard.

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No it isn't your responsibility but you have two choices, get involved or don't get involved.

Have you voiced your concerns to the YO?

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Everyones expressed thier concerns to the parents YO etc.. but YO's are happy for it to happen

The thing is; its not a case of *not* getting involved when the YO expects that you'll help-no questions asked.
I don't want any involvement with the child or pony, as horrible as that sounds, I'm just concerned its an incredibly dangerous situation to be putting other horses, liveries & the child in question in.

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I've just had a quick flick through your other thread.

I'm in Cheshire by the way, if you google liveries in Cheshire there's plenty there. It's a pity you're not looking a bit further south in Cheshire, we've got some room on my yard.

If I were in your position, I would leave some sort of riding/horse manuel outside of their stable (I wouldn't let anyone see me leaving it) and maybe print off some info from the BHS website about any courses they have.

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Where in Cheshire are you?
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I've rang round a few pleases, viewing a yard tonight & hopefully arranging some more!

Thanks x
 
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If the pony's got the right temperament it might just surprise you. Many of these young un-educated cob types end up in the hands of total novices and cope unbelievably well. If I were you I would liase with the other liveries and agree on a worming program that you can all stick to. Otherwise just leave a few basic horse management books lying around and hope she looks in them from time to time. People that aren't willing to make an effort and try to learn annoy the hell out of me. Sounds like the parents are a waste of time but if I were you I'd try to be friendly towards the girl and hopefully she'll ask you for advice before she attempts anything too dangerous.

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I'm hoping to move asap to be honest!

We've got a worming programme set up; but this has never been wormed so is doing a 5 day.
 
Thought I'd just press the reply button, the quotes are getting rather long
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I'm in Congleton, probably 45 mins from South Manchester. There are at least 2 yards with vacancies around here.

Good luck with your viewing later.
 
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Thought I'd just press the reply button, the quotes are getting rather long
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I'm in Congleton, probably 45 mins from South Manchester. There are at least 2 yards with vacancies around here.

Good luck with your viewing later.

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Congleton isn't *that* far really I don't think; just a pain for getting up on a morning before uni; probs about a 30 min drive or something?

I'm based not far from Di Hesfords old yard if you know that? About 10 mins from Culceth village.
 
Accident waiting to happen. I feel sorry for the horse. It's going to have an appalling start and I suspect likely to be pushed from pillar to post throughout its life
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I'm in Congleton, probably 45 mins from South Manchester. There are at least 2 yards with vacancies around here.

Good luck with your viewing later.

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Congleton isn't *that* far really I don't think; just a pain for getting up on a morning before uni; probs about a 30 min drive or something?

I'm based not far from Di Hesfords old yard if you know that? About 10 mins from Culceth village.

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Must be me being a lazy mare, a 5 min drive is the max for me
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Here's quite a good list of liveries, some are a bit nearer to you.

http://www.worldofhorses.co.uk/Stables_and_Liveries/uk_livery_stables_index.asp
 
Thanks for the list; I'm not overly fussed on driving but would prefer her closer, potential new yard is 15 mins away. Current yard is more like 5 maximum!

I do feel sorry for the poor pony
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Di Hesfords next to the Warburton toll bridge? Try Reed House farm going into Warburton, they're ok and the place opposite although I'm not sure who runs it now so may not do DIY. Dairy House farm on Sinderland Lane might be OK. There are loads of small ones going into Lymm.
 
Yep, by the toll. She's moved now I beleive & the place is owned by a riding instructor?

I live on this side of the toll bridge, so wanted to stay over here as far as possible but will try those places
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Thank you.
 
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