tweedette
Well-Known Member
I dont waste time on failures, my aim in life is nothing more than modest, with no money worries . Hence the past 15 yrs or so has been a huge roller coaster as to if this 'type' of dog was or would be good enough to be taken forward and recognised as a breed, after all Brian had written many books and to me if we could get the product right, it would be the next JRT , or at least one of the newer terriers to be recognised , named after a man rather than a region or place.
Like I said I dont waste years on a project just for the fun of it, its been hard work and an uphill struggle especially with a dog who carried the name David Brian Plummer - that was a negative for the dog but not for me, I had never heard of him .
Anyway, next year our club and all 'others' are applying for kc recognition for the breed. You will have read in another thread what I said about them being versatile , agile, intelligent . I have no problem to dogs being worked and docked within the law. Why even the Gt Yorks show for example - a great shop window for terriers, put Plummer classes on for us 2008/9 and allowed docked puppies to be shown - yes being from scotland our puppies are not docked) , they sent out schedules for us this year , stating all puppies and dogs born after the docking ban shown had to have full tails . The gt Yorks cancelled the terrier show as they had been getting threats if they continued to hold the show, plus many had boycotted, over the law?????
Yet!! I am fighting against this.......................... taken from another site
http://workingplummerterrier.org.uk...ction=dlattach;topic=3804.0;attach=4148;image
Yes listen to what she says...............
Just thought I would put some pics of 'Bullseye' on as its been ages since I was on here. He is doing really well 8 months now. Been beating with him this season and he has suprised everyone how controlled he is on the shoot for a terrier ..hahah. Still I get off people 'what is he?' haha
He shouldnt be out on a shoot at 8 mnths and notic the electric collar ?
Our reply was
i presume you mean electronically controlled- not a good advert, perhaps you should have waited till next year to take him beating when his training is completed. Online
Now before you all start blubbing at what i said on my previous post i will justify my comments to staffie girl.
The use of an electric collar should be a last resort, providing distant control aiding the instant reprimand of a disobediant dog, the situations i would personnally condone are chasing stock, chasing dogs to start a fight and the control of dogs that get outwith your control and think they can take the mick.
The use of a collar on a pup as a short cut causes problems, it may work for a lab but i am afraid a plummer soon realises when tthe collar is in place and develops a split characture, collar on-good, collar off i can now take the mick.
Your use of a collar also creates a problem for you in the future, should the collars be banned in your country of residence then you be left with a delinquent dog.
With a pup of eight months should you wish to introduce him to the beating line it should be on a lead or possibly a long line, the dog will learn to hunt naturally but remain under your control at all times, plus should he take fright at the sound of gunfire you are able to reel him in, something a collar will not do plus should you use the collar in that situation it will cause increased panic and possibly a lost dog.
Now the most important point- our canine representatives are struggling to convince governments not to ban collars, reasons given include the point that said collars are only used as a last resort, to prevent some behavior that left unchecked would lead to the dog coming to harm- the lesser of two evils.
Pictures of puppies wearing collars and the text indicating that they are worn during a normal activity for a prolonged period of time only gives ammo to our opponents, the puppy cuddler brigade would use that photo as an example of the improper use of the collars. They would have a field day, 8 month old puppy being routinely trained using electric shock punishment.
Plummer terriers make superb beating dogs when correctly trained and entered and given enough time to grow up, settle down and become mature, a spanial or lab man would not expect one of their pups to be allowed off the lead at that age in the beating line, the quickest way to spoil a working dog is to show it too much too soon, and thats breeds regarded as very trainable -not a terrier..
I replied
The above post is correctly worded in my opinion, we dog people ot supposed terriermen give people ammunition and you back them?, what kind of an example is that to set in a professional dog world, btw, the above was written by tim, who has vast knowledge and a great natural ability training dogs , have you ? or will you use this post as you have the others to attempt to get a lynching mob of backscatching pals together , in order again to question our/my views of what topics represent?.
Like I said I dont waste years on a project just for the fun of it, its been hard work and an uphill struggle especially with a dog who carried the name David Brian Plummer - that was a negative for the dog but not for me, I had never heard of him .
Anyway, next year our club and all 'others' are applying for kc recognition for the breed. You will have read in another thread what I said about them being versatile , agile, intelligent . I have no problem to dogs being worked and docked within the law. Why even the Gt Yorks show for example - a great shop window for terriers, put Plummer classes on for us 2008/9 and allowed docked puppies to be shown - yes being from scotland our puppies are not docked) , they sent out schedules for us this year , stating all puppies and dogs born after the docking ban shown had to have full tails . The gt Yorks cancelled the terrier show as they had been getting threats if they continued to hold the show, plus many had boycotted, over the law?????
Yet!! I am fighting against this.......................... taken from another site
http://workingplummerterrier.org.uk...ction=dlattach;topic=3804.0;attach=4148;image
Yes listen to what she says...............
Just thought I would put some pics of 'Bullseye' on as its been ages since I was on here. He is doing really well 8 months now. Been beating with him this season and he has suprised everyone how controlled he is on the shoot for a terrier ..hahah. Still I get off people 'what is he?' haha
He shouldnt be out on a shoot at 8 mnths and notic the electric collar ?
Our reply was
i presume you mean electronically controlled- not a good advert, perhaps you should have waited till next year to take him beating when his training is completed. Online
Now before you all start blubbing at what i said on my previous post i will justify my comments to staffie girl.
The use of an electric collar should be a last resort, providing distant control aiding the instant reprimand of a disobediant dog, the situations i would personnally condone are chasing stock, chasing dogs to start a fight and the control of dogs that get outwith your control and think they can take the mick.
The use of a collar on a pup as a short cut causes problems, it may work for a lab but i am afraid a plummer soon realises when tthe collar is in place and develops a split characture, collar on-good, collar off i can now take the mick.
Your use of a collar also creates a problem for you in the future, should the collars be banned in your country of residence then you be left with a delinquent dog.
With a pup of eight months should you wish to introduce him to the beating line it should be on a lead or possibly a long line, the dog will learn to hunt naturally but remain under your control at all times, plus should he take fright at the sound of gunfire you are able to reel him in, something a collar will not do plus should you use the collar in that situation it will cause increased panic and possibly a lost dog.
Now the most important point- our canine representatives are struggling to convince governments not to ban collars, reasons given include the point that said collars are only used as a last resort, to prevent some behavior that left unchecked would lead to the dog coming to harm- the lesser of two evils.
Pictures of puppies wearing collars and the text indicating that they are worn during a normal activity for a prolonged period of time only gives ammo to our opponents, the puppy cuddler brigade would use that photo as an example of the improper use of the collars. They would have a field day, 8 month old puppy being routinely trained using electric shock punishment.
Plummer terriers make superb beating dogs when correctly trained and entered and given enough time to grow up, settle down and become mature, a spanial or lab man would not expect one of their pups to be allowed off the lead at that age in the beating line, the quickest way to spoil a working dog is to show it too much too soon, and thats breeds regarded as very trainable -not a terrier..
I replied
The above post is correctly worded in my opinion, we dog people ot supposed terriermen give people ammunition and you back them?, what kind of an example is that to set in a professional dog world, btw, the above was written by tim, who has vast knowledge and a great natural ability training dogs , have you ? or will you use this post as you have the others to attempt to get a lynching mob of backscatching pals together , in order again to question our/my views of what topics represent?.
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