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Dog laws will be strengthened, but owners could face having to tie their pet up at home to stop them attacking burglars. The Association of Chief Police Officers say planned amendments to the Dangerous Dogs Act could leave householders 'liable to prosecution' if their dog bites a burglar while they are out.

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Are we supposed to tie up our dogs or cage them every day / night when shopping or asleep in the anticipation of some random burglar ? Hopefully this snippet of intention will be expanded on to make more sense.

Wouldn't it make more sense to force householders to put a notice up saying dogs are inside enter unauthorised at your own risk or similar.
 
I think that is just the Mail's interpretation of the story.

As far as I understand the legislation is out for consultation so no need to panic yet, responses are required by mid-June.
If people don't give their input to the consultation process then they cannot complain about the outcome.
There does need to be stronger legislation to stop posties etc getting attacked.
 
I can't help feeling they are dealing with the wrong end of the chain.

They need to ensure dogs with proven temperaments are bred and all dogs are kept in the right environment. Stop the rise of the CHAV element breeding, buying and keeping the wrong types of dogs in the wrong environment with no training.

Ban pre loved gum tree etc from animal rehoming ads.

You rarely see responsible owners having these problems.
 
BBH said:
I can't help feeling they are dealing with the wrong end of the chain.

They need to ensure dogs with proven temperaments are bred and all dogs are kept in the right environment. Stop the rise of the CHAV element breeding, buying and keeping the wrong types of dogs in the wrong environment with no training.

Ban pre loved gum tree etc from animal rehoming ads.

You rarely see responsible owners having these problems.
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I agree, good reply
 
As my dogs eat what they kill and therefore if I came home to find a half eaten burglar I would only hope he wasnt a crack head and wasnt going to upset their tummies.:D:rolleyes:
 
We just have to hope that there's a sensible way forward , I suppose if my dog bites a burglar I'll just have to live with it.
 
BBH said:
I can't help feeling they are dealing with the wrong end of the chain.

They need to ensure dogs with proven temperaments are bred and all dogs are kept in the right environment. Stop the rise of the CHAV element breeding, buying and keeping the wrong types of dogs in the wrong environment with no training.
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Quite agree.

Dobiegirl said:
As my dogs eat what they kill and therefore if I came home to find a half eaten burglar I would only hope he wasnt a crack head and wasnt going to upset their tummies.:D:rolleyes:
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As long as they [the dogs] are OK it saves on buying food, so win/win IMHO.
 
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/...5.DEFRA-Tacklingirresponsibledogownership.pdf

From the ministerial reply above to the House of Commons in April 2012


"Having considered the replies to the consultation and further consulted the
police, local authorities and other organisations who are in the frontline in
dealing with irresponsible dog ownership, Government has decided that it
would be appropriate to extend existing dangerous dogs law in England to
cover all private property. Extending the current law would make it
enforceable in homes, private gardens and private land where people and
dogs are entitled to be, better protecting the thousands of service workers
such as medical staff and postmen whose jobs take them onto private
property. However, the proposed extension to the criminal law will not extend
to protect trespassers who have entered the private property with unlawful
intentions."

Fear not, burglars are still fair game :D
 
I'm afraid if some scum breaks into my house, I should be entitled to set the dog on him, injure him, whatever.

I think it's a bit outrageous to intimate that we'd be liable for injuries-typical Daily Fail!!:p However, I wouldn't be astonished if this were to be pushed through. Hopefully, the dog would bark and put off potential burglars. I think the stats say something like 60% of would be burglars are deterred by dogs barking.
 
cbmcts said:
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/...5.DEFRA-Tacklingirresponsibledogownership.pdf

From the ministerial reply above to the House of Commons in April 2012


"Having considered the replies to the consultation and further consulted the
police, local authorities and other organisations who are in the frontline in
dealing with irresponsible dog ownership, Government has decided that it
would be appropriate to extend existing dangerous dogs law in England to
cover all private property. Extending the current law would make it
enforceable in homes, private gardens and private land where people and
dogs are entitled to be, better protecting the thousands of service workers
such as medical staff and postmen whose jobs take them onto private
property. However, the proposed extension to the criminal law will not extend
to protect trespassers who have entered the private property with unlawful
intentions."

Fear not, burglars are still fair game :D
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See I think this is still open to problems. Just playing devils advocate here but what if said burglar arrives in the day when the owner is out, the dog bites him, hospital calls police, burglar says he has legitimate reason to be there as he was asked to clean windows for example. Owner says no we don't know you and haven't asked for windows to be cleaned burglar says oh silly me I've got the wrong address but your dog has still bitten me.

I can foresee a number of issues with this proposal.
 
cinnamontoast said:
I'm afraid if some scum breaks into my house, I should be entitled to set the dog on him, injure him, whatever.

I think it's a bit outrageous to intimate that we'd be liable for injuries-typical Daily Fail!!:p However, I wouldn't be astonished if this were to be pushed through. Hopefully, the dog would bark and put off potential burglars. I think the stats say something like 60% of would be burglars are deterred by dogs barking.
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HaHa my sentiments aswell. If someone comes onto my property they should take their chances but in reality they will fare very well as my lot seem to welcome everyone.

As for barking, Bullbreeds don't bark much if at all so I'd need a tape recording of a very fierce pack that I could play uber loud when I went out :D
 
Had someone routing about at OH work at 4 in the morning. Dylan and teal let us know they were about and thankfully Dylan had an evil guarding bark, enough to make these guys shift and get off the property. I doubt very much he would bite though as all you have to do is tell them to " shut up" and Dylan is soppy sod again saying sorry.
 
Good strong padlocks on gates in areas where dog is allowed to be. Notice on gates saying dog running free. These are in my opinion giving any would be trespassers enough information to stay away from these areas. Dogs should not be allowed to access the mail as it comes through the letter box therefore a cage over this would help keep the postman etc., safe or alternatively have a locked box away from the front door. If a window cleaner is stupid enough to ignore the locks and signs then so be it. If a burglar then wants to try his luck then let the dog have him/her. My elderly neighbours were burgled a few months ago and are very nervous when they go out now. They only popped to the shops and came back to a house being ransacked and valuable jewellery and money stolen. Had they had a dog that at least barked I'm sure someone would have been alerted or alternately the burglars would have perhaps been too afraid of entering he property. The police came round to us to ask if we had seen anything and were met with our barking dog who would only be quiet once we told her to. The police said they wished more people had dogs to alert them to burglars. My elderly mum and dad have massive German Shepherd who barks at anything that moves (they are out in the sticks) and it make me feel a lot happier knowing they have him. They have a lot of carers and doctors in and out due to mums health so my dad has to make sure he is shut in when they come round, but at no time is he allowed to go near them. It all comes down to common sense really.
 
BBH said:
See I think this is still open to problems. Just playing devils advocate here but what if said burglar arrives in the day when the owner is out, the dog bites him, hospital calls police, burglar says he has legitimate reason to be there as he was asked to clean windows for example. Owner says no we don't know you and haven't asked for windows to be cleaned burglar says oh silly me I've got the wrong address but your dog has still bitten me.

I can foresee a number of issues with this proposal.
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I'd like to see the CPS wilt under the unfavourable publicity if they tried to prosecute in circumstances like these - I'm no fan of the DM but I'd happily put on my sad face for their photographer if they tried this with me!

Like Vinney says, if you have the appropriate signage and keep the dogs in a secure area while unsupervised there is really no excuse for anybody to come into contact with them...there is no legitimate reason to pass beyond a shut/locked gate on a private property. I still can't figure out if this law will deal with cases of family dogs killing or injuring members of the household like that tragic case of the JRT killing the baby but surely in 99% of cases the dog is PTS anyway and it would be a very harsh system that would prosecute a grieving family over a genuine mistake?

This law is designed to protect people who come to the public areas of your property - the front door for instance - or have been invited into your home by a member of the household. It's sad and ridiculous that a law needs to be made to force irresponsible dog owners to control their dogs like this but sadly, circumstances show that there is a need.

TBH people do need to realise that it is unacceptable to allow your dog to be so out of control that it bites a visitor. It is up to an owner to control their dog at all times (indoors and out) and if they don't...well there are consequences.
 
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