The Young Master disqualified

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I actually think it's more of a mess up by the trainer - what was he doing entering a horse in a race it wasn't qualified for? mistakes do happen however and it seems there were failings on both the trainer and the Wetherby's computer system.
I feel for the owners...
 

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As far as I know it's up to the person making the entry to be sure that the horse meets the requirements of the race although it's common to see horses entered in handicaps that they aren't entitled to run in and they are picked up by the BHB. What would annoy me most if I owned The Young Master is that his handicap weight rose a stone for his win that wasn't and it looks like that will stand !
 
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I expect the owner will ask for financial compensation as they acceted his entry fee. These things happen, to me it is the trainer who should have read the conditions, for sure owner will not be happy with him either.
 

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As far as I know it's up to the person making the entry to be sure that the horse meets the requirements of the race although it's common to see horses entered in handicaps that they aren't entitled to run in and they are picked up by the BHB. What would annoy me most if I owned The Young Master is that his handicap weight rose a stone for his win that wasn't and it looks like that will stand !
Correct, BUT, what is to happen to those who backed the horse which actually won, and then what of those who bet upon the eventual winner? It's my opinion that the original decision should stand. The decision stood with Maradona's intervention from 'The Hand of God', and this should be no different. The Jockey Club are at fault, and they are also responsible.

How are the Bookmakers to cope with this?

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I think the punters will collect their money, as the horse was weighed-in. The owner won't be happy and will be looking for his prize money from somewhere.

It is surely the trainer's responsibility to make sure the entries are correct?
 

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I can see why he should be disqualified - but don't agree with it. I can see why Mulholland should get a slap on the wrist but not fined. Weatherby's should be fined and made to pay the expenses. What I absolutely don't agree with is that the new handicap mark will stand. They don't change handicap marks for the Irish schooling races - I know this wasn't deemed as a schooling race but in effect it has turned out to be so why should he be put up?
 

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Bets on the race are unaffected, as it's paid on the order they went past the finishing post - this race was also part of Saturday's Scoop 6.

Neil Mulholland, Wetherby's and The Jockey Club must all share a bit of responsibility here .. the real loser being the horse - still only a 5 year old, and clearly a lot of talent - whose 14lb rise in the weights still stands.
 

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I can see why he should be disqualified - but don't agree with it. I can see why Mulholland should get a slap on the wrist but not fined. Weatherby's should be fined and made to pay the expenses. What I absolutely don't agree with is that the new handicap mark will stand. They don't change handicap marks for the Irish schooling races - I know this wasn't deemed as a schooling race but in effect it has turned out to be so why should he be put up?
I totally agree with the above, this sort of thing shouldn't happen and the horse should be treated by the handicapper as though he hadn't run, who is going to haul Weatherbys over the coals and with more news today of races being run over the wrong distances we are going to be the the laughing stock of the racing world.
 

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If you read the article you will see that Wetherbys have compensated the owner for entry fees and race day expenses.
It also states that the trainer is ultimately responsible for eligibility.
It is a shame but occasionally these things happen.
 

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If Court By Surprise was backed each way, and the backer was paid out for second place, now what for them? If The Young Master was backed to win, and the backer was paid out, so what of the Bookmakers?

I fail to see how Weatherbys are responsible. The BHA are those who should stand by the result, no matter how wrong it may be. If anyone's to blame, it's the person who entered the horse, incorrectly, in the race, and from what I can see of it, that's the Trainer. The placings should stand. The Gamblers, those who support racing will, yet again, be those who lose out.

This is a challengeable and incorrect decision.

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I randomly happened to see the end of the race at the weekend, with the commentators trying to work out if he fitted the criteria, they said then they didn't see how the result could stand as would defeat the whole object of qualification rules.
 

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On Channel 4 today Wetherbys have admitted the mistake was caused by a software programme, they put in a new filter and it deleted the checking of the entries which allowed this fiasco to happen.

Well they havnt convinced me and are not taking the blame, when questioned why some races are being run over the wrong distance they replied they are now addressing it now its been brought to their attention, P up in a brewery comes to mind, what an incompetent bunch, heads should roll over this.
 
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On Channel 4 today Wetherbys have admitted the mistake was caused by a software programme, they put in a new filter and it deleted the checking of the entries which allowed this fiasco to happen.

Well they havnt convinced me and are not taking the blame, when questioned why some races are being run over the wrong distance they replied they are now addressing it now its been brought to their attention, P up in a brewery comes to mind, what an incompetent bunch, heads should roll over this.
so people should lose their livelihood over an error ........... good grief, no one would have a job if you were God
 

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so people should lose their livelihood over an error ........... good grief, no one would have a job if you were God
I'm sorry, but that really isn't the point. Vast sums of money are involved in Racing, Registrations and Gambling. If there are links within the chain which aren't functioning as they should, then they're replaced and it's that simple. What would be the alternative? Carry on as we are? Those who invest in the future of Racing would have something to say about that, and rightly so!

Alec.
 

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Thank you Alec.

Bonkers this is one of many mistakes they have made and they are not putting their hands in the air and admitting it but rather blaming the software, The Young Masters mistake was picked up by a Channel 4 viewer who rang in to report it, how many more are out there who have won races they were not entitled to race in. Our racing is the envy of the world or it was, mistakes like this shouldn't happen as safeguards should be put in place, its not just one error and it brings racing into disrepute, with the like of Animal Aid breathing down racings neck we need to be squeaky clean in all errors.
 
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