"They're pedigrees, that's why we're charging £350 per pup"

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Serious *head desk* moment came at the school today.

I heard a chap talking to another woman about his dog having had pups. When he'd gone I asked the woman what pups they were. Her response "Jack-a-doodles".

It's a Jack Russell mum and a Poodle for a dad. "Hmmm.." I said, "interesting cross". I then mused about the names people come up with and how to me they're just a cross-breed. "Oh no...they're not mongrels" she said defiantly, "both parents are KC registered pedigrees, so the pups are pedigrees"

OMG!!!! No matter how much I tried to explain how that works she was completely adamant the pups are pedigrees.

£350 per pup too! :eek: :confused: :eek:
 
**shakes head** i know how you feel..... ive actually given up trying to talk to some people

unfortunately, its becoming a popular cross as it apparently suitable for those with allergies? from what ive heard they do fetch a reasonable price..
 
I'm not sure of the genetics of these crosses, but can they guarantee the pups will all inherit the poodle gene to not shed?
 
LOL.....you and me both then. :)

The woman said he'd decided to breed her after hearing about some of the same cross in Scotland for £800 per pup!

Madness really. I wonder if he'll try and register his "pedigrees" with the KC! :D
 
Patches said:
I'm not sure of the genetics of these crosses, but can they guarantee the pups will all inherit the poodle gene to not shed?
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Nope - I had a chat with a lovely gentleman and his goldendoodle just the other day and he was lamenting the fact that the bugger shed just as much as a golden he'd previously had. I gathered that his wife had an allergy and it was a bit of a sore point. :o

I don't understand why you wouldn't just get a poodle in that situation, they don't shed and are incredibly intelligent dogs. :rolleyes:
 
I've heard of quite a few labradoodles that shed massively. There is of course no guarantee that pups will inherit the non shedding coat of the poodle in these crosses. As poodles come in different sizes I agree would be more sense for people to just have a poodle,but that seems too obvious. I think (prepares to be shot down) that both poodles and JRTs can suffer from epilepsy, don't for a minute suppose the parents of the jack a doodles had been screened for it. Aargh!
 
Bit random but my daughter used to call poodles 'noodles' when she was a toddler :D I remember the look on womans face as my daughter spotted her poodle and proclaimed "NOODLE!!!" at the rop of her voice,lady replied "no dear it's a poodle" :D:rolleyes:
 
Just thinking, re the use of the term "pedigree", what exactly do people consider it means. Its not a word I would ever use to describe my dogs, purebred, yes, KC reg yes but not pedigree, because really all a pedigree means is that it has a piece of paper with its ancestors on. So technically the people with the jack a doodles could correctly call them pedigree, the fact that the pedigrees are of 2 different breeds is academic. Just wondered what others think when they see the word. :confused:
 
Of course, you're right technically.

However, I think of a pedigree dog in layman's terms. My Harvey is a Pedigree, in my eyes, because both of his parents are full Cocker Spaniels. Purebred = pedigree, I would think, in layman's terms. Of course, I also have Harvey's parents' pedigree paperwork...or birth certificate! lol

I would personally refer to a Jack-a-doodle as a cross breed. I am willing to allow them to state they're "first cross", but they're still a cross breed as both parents are different breeds.

It's a fine line though as you are absolutely correct in the literal use of the term pedigree.
 
Thats exactly what I mean Patches, I think most people do equate pedigree to purebred. I was just thinking about all these bloomin designer breeds and the fact that technically they could all have pedigrees but of course wouldn't be purebred as i totally agree with you they are cross breeds. And to go back to your original post, its typical that they think they can charge £350 for said cross breeds yet you could probably get a pure bred JR for half that price.
 
Patches said:
I'm not sure of the genetics of these crosses, but can they guarantee the pups will all inherit the poodle gene to not shed?
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Actually I've read that when Poodles are crossed with breeds that does not have long and soft hair, which I do not believe many Jack Russell Terriers have, it is less likely that the puppies will inherit the non shedding Poodle coat.


MurphysMinder, as far as I could find, though that there is no known risk that both parents should carry any epilepsy gene, the "innate healthy" puppies may possibly inherit eye disease genes from their parents.


But of course they're not breeding mongrels or crossbreeds, because both parents are, ta-da, registered purebreds with pedigrees from the Kennel Club, who cares about such minor trifle things such as that the parents are not of the same breed, let me see one breed + another breed = TWO breeds mixed together...

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P.s. Photos of Jack-A-Poos
 
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Totally nicked this off Kit's post a while back,but it sums up my feelings here succinctly so I hope she'll forgive me...
 
The coat shedding will be a dominant gene with incomplete penetrance, if it was a simple dominant all the pups would not shed and if it was recessive it would not appear at all.

This is just going crazy now, I would have thought that Trading Standards should be looking at this as people are being duped! They are cross breds and are generations away from being a breed. Cross on a labradoodle and you will get so many different types it will be unreal and as you say I doubt any of the parents are health tested within their own breed so who knows what other genes are being passed on too!!

Argh!!!
 
KarynK said:
The coat shedding will be a dominant gene with incomplete penetrance, if it was a simple dominant all the pups would not shed and if it was recessive it would not appear at all.

This is just going crazy now, I would have thought that Trading Standards should be looking at this as people are being duped! They are cross breds and are generations away from being a breed. Cross on a labradoodle and you will get so many different types it will be unreal and as you say I doubt any of the parents are health tested within their own breed so who knows what other genes are being passed on too!!

Argh!!!
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Totally agree. I was really quite stumped when the woman was raving about them. I'm not saying they won't be cute as some pics I've just googled are actually surprisingly cute, but they're just not what the breeder and this woman claim them to be.

I've seen the man walking a JRT too. A fat, old looking little thing it was too. I do hope he has more than one dog as if this is the mother she did look quite old.
 
So if it is the brood bitch that you've seen, she looks neither fit or healthy and either she's too old to have puppies or she looks older than she is and, to me, none of it satisfies the requirement of a good brood bitch.


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I might be wrong of course. I often am. :)

The dog I saw him walking looked quite overweight (and it was a while ago, so I'd say it wasn't when pregnant) and I do remember thinking she looked an oldie.

As I say, I am quite possibly wrong but, either way, I doubt any health tests have been done.
 
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