thin soles, or... heplp?!!?

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Ready to pull my hair out over this one… bare with me…
7 y/o OTTB purchase off the track sound last July. She came to me sound (only xrayed ankles and knees which were all clean) with overgrown feet and need of trimming. Had shoes put on her a few days after arrival, she was sound and wonderful and amazing for about 6-7 weeks until she got back-to-back abscesses in her back hooves. As soon as she was recovered from that, she began to have a subtle LF lameness. Figured she tweaked something (after ruling out another abscess and changing pastures)… gave her some time. weeks later shes still grade 1 lameness LF. Very subtle, not any worse but not much better. In the meantime, she was being shod what seemed like every 4 weeks from a thrown shoe and he would do a complete shoeing and trim (fronts only at this point). After about 6 weeks of no better/no worse, had vet come out for shots/lameness exam and she was sound. Rode great that day and was lame again the next, of course…

2 weeks later still off, called vet back out for lameness exam. She pretty much blocked out on second block and did radiographs (Will try to include them in post). Rads showed very thin soles and some ringbone/ish stuff but that wasnt in the joint and was def much worse on RF which shes always been sound on.

Decide to do shoeing with pads and did coffin joint inj to help her over the hump… 9 days post injection she was worse, day 11 she was the soundest she’d been in months. Rode her lightly, next day I lunged her before being shod again and she was sound… lunged her again after shoeing, shes lame. I’m frustrated. Wondering if shoeing job is the issue (don’t want to be that person but i’m out of options) and talked to vet to try another shoer. This shoer did similar shoeing but said although balanced, her soles esp LF are very thing. Did slight wedge with packing and leather pads. Just got second shoeing with that and shes STILL not sound. am I not being patient enough with new shoer??? Ive also been told she should be sound pretty quickly with these specialty shoes with thin soles… i’m just dumping money into a horse I cannot ride and cannot seem to figure out if i’m even adressing the correct thing at this point.

Desperate for other opinions… will try to attach rads from beginning of december. She has excellent diet with added alfalfa and feet grow really fast. Thank you!
 

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I have not, and they haven't been suggested but vets or farrier so far (odd)... do they help a lot more than the packing and padding combo with shoes?
Yes, they protect the soles from stones and especially anything sharp hitting the sole, they are really really good especially for a thoroughbred.
BB a tb had scoots for the back and shod in front and Orbi a french tb has scoots all round. Although his feet are becoming really strong now and we mostly hack without boots now.
 

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Welcome to the forum. We know about thin soled TBs here and sympathise!

It would be very unusual to use boots, except very short term, with shoes, I'm not sure if you realise that BB is suggesting something that is only usually done when taking the horse barefoot.

Are you up for taking her barefoot, is your vet, is your farrier, and do you have a yard that will support barefoot and has the right surfaces for her if, as is common with TBs, she isn't comfortable in the field barefoot at first?

You call her diet balanced, is it mineral balanced? Do you use one of the high copper/zinc no iron/ manganese supplements? There are other diet tweaks we may be able to suggest if you tell us exactly what you feed.
 
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Sounds very similar to my horse who had a soft tissue injury in the hoof.
The only thing that worked was a long period of rest and a barefoot transition. (Approx 12 months)
 

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Yes, they protect the soles from stones and especially anything sharp hitting the sole, they are really really good especially for a thoroughbred.
BB a tb had scoots for the back and shod in front and Orbi a french tb has scoots all round. Although his feet are becoming really strong now and we mostly hack without boots now.
I will def look into this, thank you
 

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Indeed I am not suggesting taking your horse barefoot!
But if your horse is lame without shoes and still lame with shoes, there is no harm in trying the boots is there?
Honest to goodness, 🦯


How many people do you know who ride shod horses in boots BB?

Personally I've never heard of or seen one.
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Welcome to the forum. We know about thin soled TBs here and sympathise!

It would be very unusual to use boots, except very short term, with shoes, I'm not sure if you realise that BB is suggesting taking the horse barefoot.

Are you up for taking her barefoot, is your vet, is your farrier, and do you have a yard that will support barefoot and has the right surfaces for her if, as is common with TBs, she isn't comfortable in the field barefoot at first?

You call her diet balanced, is it mineral balanced? Do you use one of the high copper/zinc no iron/ manganese supplements? There are other diet tweaks we may be able to suggest if you tell us exactly what you feed.
thanks for the reply and welcoming! :) I am certainly not opposed to barefoot (esp considering what i'm paying for specialized shoeing on a horse i cannot ride!) just trying not to do too many things at once and not knowing what works (if anything). I did have her barefoot for about 4 weeks as a desperate attempt at something and nothing changed (obviously if i choose to do that again, more time would be needed)
She is pasture boarded, gets triumph 12/8 pelleted feed as well as grass hay and supplemented with alfalfa hay, performance builder and soybean oil
 

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Sounds very similar to my horse who had a soft tissue injury in the hoof.
The only thing that worked was a long period of rest and a barefoot transition. (Approx 12 months)
this is my concern, which would possibly make sense as to why shes slightly off, but not very reactive to hoof testers.... that doesn't make sense to me. She is slightly reactive but not what I would accept if its all stemming from thin soles
 

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gets triumph 12/8 pelleted feed

I'm not sure what that is, it sounds as if you aren't in the UK? Does that have any added sugars or high sugar ingredients in it? You would do well to change it if it does, and to soak the sugar out of your forage.
 

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I've just looked it up and your feed is 17% sugar, that is considered way too high for a horse feed for a horse with weak feet. You should be trying to get it down under 10%. It will certainly not be helping her soles.
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I've just looked it up and your feed is 17% sugar, that is considered way too high for a horse feed for a horse with weak feet. You should be trying to get it down under 10%. It will certainly not be helping her soles.
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good to know, will certainly look into this
 

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The diet needs to be low sugar and starch with a good mineral and vitamin supplement for optimal hoof function especially when addressing thin soles. Alfalfa is sometimes not recommended for some horses as anecdotally it can cause foot soreness.
I think if no improvement after this time I’d be looking at soft tissue injury as the possible/probable cause for lameness.
Hope you get to the bottom of it.
 
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