Think im going to cry :(

[SonnysHumanSlave]

Well Ive had ted 3 years. I have never been able to get him to ride straight. he always leans in to the right.

I got the physio out on monday thinking its his back, but in reality hes not, hes lame behind and loading the weight onto the front left, creating this twist when ridden.

So she manipulated his back etc and did her thing, and she said she was doubtful it would do anything, and that it looked more likely to be a Bone spavin in the hock.

I know its not an actual diagnosis, but I was hoping for even a little bit of an improvement when I rode him yesterday, but theres no improvement at all.

Im totally gutted, I know there are some treatments, but to be honest he doesnt belong to me fully, so its not really down to me.

Especially as the end result is probably going to mean he wont be able to do all the things I want to go out and do.

I just cant think positive about it at all, and have had a look on horsemart at new horses, as I know this is probably the route im going to have to take. Although I would rather keep ted forever and ever.

Any thoughts on this, this is the first Ive heard of a spavin.

 

[rhino]

Sorry, it's no fun when they go wrong, is it?

Legally though, the physio should only be seeing him with permission from a vet, so has the asymmetry/lameness actually been checked by a veterinary professional? That would be my first point of call before getting depressed by what a physio has said (and I'm in no way knocking good physiotherapists).

 

[Tinsel Trouble]

Get the vet out to double check/ confirm what the physio suspects, and check the quailifications of the physio. You should always use a physio/ osteo that trained to work on people first.

 

[SonnysHumanSlave]

The Physio was a fully qualified one, I called a few before one was a crystal healer, another believes she can communicate. But no this one was fully qualified.
Basically she said to leave it 2 weeks and call her, if it was a bit better she would come again, if its worse get the vet. Its been 5 days so far, so hes not a write off yet.

I know they can have injections and things, but my guess is he wont be able to do all the jumping and x-country etc I wanted to.

Just wanted to add: I didnt know he was lame, just thought he wasnt straight. It was the physio that pointed out the lameness, it is only slight.

 

[rhino]

Physiotherapists cannot diagnose! As I mentioned before, did she have permission to attend to your horse from your vet? I would be very suspicious of someone who wouldn't follow the regulations and to suggest that she continues 'treatment' of an undiagnosed condition seems to me to be very unethical.

For your peace of mind, you need to find out for sure. Only a vet can do that.

Hope it is nothing that can't be treated or managed

 

[cally6008]

QUOTE - Im totally gutted, I know there are some treatments, but to be honest he doesnt belong to me fully, so its not really down to me.

Shouldn't the owner be helping to sort him out ?

 

[SonnysHumanSlave]

Hes a rescue from redwings, I havent spoken to them yet.

Think what im going to do, is get the vet out, but from what ive been reading online (dangerous I know) but he has always been stiff behind, So it is chronic.

Just for clarification, she didnt actually diagnose, she said she had an Inkling of what it could be, but I would need the Vet etc. Then I forced the Bone Spavin out of her.
We have 2 horses on the yard with bone spavin, one is pretty much retired at 11 the other, is an eventer, and off work with something else.

 

[tabithakat64]

The first thing you need to do is get the owner to contact their vet for a proper diagnosis.

TBH this was the first thing you should have done if you suspected a problem, not something you are doing relunctantly 3 years down the line.

If it is a spavin there are plenty of options regarding treatment and it needn't be the end of you competition dreams.

 

[Lady La La]

Im assuming if its a loan similar to that of the WHW, then contacting the vet will be down to you?
First things first, I would have him checked by a vet, so that you know what you are dealing with 100%, and I would then contact redwings to discuss his future with them fully, before making any decisions.

 

[Nocturnal]

I may be reading this wrong, but just to clarify the situation: your (loan) horse has been lame for 3 years; you have had crystal healers, animal communicators, physiotherapists, but no success. You are now considering a vet. Is this correct?

 

[Rb1]

As I mentioned before, did she have permission to attend to your horse from your vet?

Interesting, I've never heard that permission is needed from a vet for a physio to treat a horse. Is this really true? Humans don't need to go to the doctor before going to a physio, so why horses?

OP, just wait until a vet has checked him before worrying too much, I hope it is something manageable

 

[Amaranta]

Well Ive had ted 3 years. I have never been able to get him to ride straight. he always leans in to the right.

I got the physio out on monday thinking its his back, but in reality hes not, hes lame behind and loading the weight onto the front left, creating this twist when ridden.

So she manipulated his back etc and did her thing, and she said she was doubtful it would do anything, and that it looked more likely to be a Bone spavin in the hock.

I know its not an actual diagnosis, but I was hoping for even a little bit of an improvement when I rode him yesterday, but theres no improvement at all.

Im totally gutted, I know there are some treatments, but to be honest he doesnt belong to me fully, so its not really down to me.

Especially as the end result is probably going to mean he wont be able to do all the things I want to go out and do.

I just cant think positive about it at all, and have had a look on horsemart at new horses, as I know this is probably the route im going to have to take. Although I would rather keep ted forever and ever.

Any thoughts on this, this is the first Ive heard of a spavin.

Poor horse, rather than looking for a replacement I would be calling the vet - if you have him on loan from Redwings then it IS down to you!

If he has indeed been lame for 3 years then I very much doubt it is a bone spavin - it will have fused by now - but you need to get a vet to this poor horse asap.

Feel very sorry for this poor horse

 

[ladyt25]

You don't need a vet's permission to have a physio attend your horse. You do need it to be referred by a vet IF you are claiming for treatment on insurance but who you have treat your horse is down to you. IF the horse is lame then really you should consult a vet first to try and diagnose the lameness then, if they think physio treatment would help then that is their 'permission' given.

As mentioned though, a physio cannot really diagnose a lameness like that although they do knoe the physiology of a horse and to be fair can probably give a pretty good idea of where they think the pain/problem is originating from.

For the record though, I had a pony who had spavin in one hind and he carried on jumping and competing xc for many years and was very enthusiastic about it! Ok, we were limited to a certain height (about 2'9") but that was fine for me at the time.

 

[LauraWheeler]

Interesting, I've never heard that permission is needed from a vet for a physio to treat a horse. Is this really true? Humans don't need to go to the doctor before going to a physio, so why horses?

OP, just wait until a vet has checked him before worrying too much, I hope it is something manageable

You don't need a vet's permission to have a physio attend your horse. You do need it to be referred by a vet IF you are claiming for treatment on insurance but who you have treat your horse is down to you. IF the horse is lame then really you should consult a vet first to try and diagnose the lameness then, if they think physio treatment would help then that is their 'permission' given.

As mentioned though, a physio cannot really diagnose a lameness like that although they do knoe the physiology of a horse and to be fair can probably give a pretty good idea of where they think the pain/problem is originating from.

For the record though, I had a pony who had spavin in one hind and he carried on jumping and competing xc for many years and was very enthusiastic about it! Ok, we were limited to a certain height (about 2'9") but that was fine for me at the time.

Anyone be it a dentist, Physio, Farrier or natural healer SHOULD have permition from the vet before treating any horse. (Obviously the farrier can do normal shoeing without permission but any remedial shoeing should be done under vet supervition) Having said that I don't get the vets permission and I don't know anyone who does, but by law it should be done that way.

OP I would get the vet out to your horse. It will all seem so much better once you know what you are dealing with and how to treat it. I hope everything turns out better than you fear. But if it was me i'd rather know one way or another.

 

[Lady La La]

Interesting, I've never heard that permission is needed from a vet for a physio to treat a horse. Is this really true? Humans don't need to go to the doctor before going to a physio, so why horses?

OP, just wait until a vet has checked him before worrying too much, I hope it is something manageable

My equine physio does
She asks for vets permission before working on a new horse, I think its to cover her own insurance rather than anything else, but I might be wrong. Its only a matter of a quick phone call, nothing too stressful

 

[Rainbow01]

Yes, my physio asked me to just let my vet know that I was having work done on my horse just as a courtesy if nothing else. It goes down on their records that they're having the work done.

Just a question, if your horse has been lame/had this problem for 3 years, why has it taken you this long to sort out?!

 

[tonitot]

My horse has bone spavins in her hocks and I've been told shell be able to do everything I want her to, basically the same as what you want to do with Ted. She hasn't had anything done to then so no injections etc vet told me to keep her in work. When she's being worked properly she is fine, if she has some time off she's a bit lame but comes sound again with work. Hope this makes you feel a bit better about it

 

[Orangehorse]

Your are being mean to the OP. She was concerned that the horse wasn't straight. How many people have that problem? Lots I suspect. And it wouldn't be obviously lame.

She did not contact the communictor's crystal healers, etc. she contacted a qualified physio, who presumably made sure that the vet had given permission. In my case all I have had to do to get "permission from the vet" is to ring up the practice and tell them that XX a physio is going to look/treat the horse, and is this OK. The vet comes to the phone and says Yes, OK.

She was not aware that the horse was lame.

As for spavin - I know that in some cases it can be career threatening, but not always.

I had a horse which appeared to have spavins on an X ray, but at a later date went on to pass a 5* vetting and it didn't affect her. She was never lame and didn't see any lessening of performance.

 

[PeterNatt]

Now that you know there is a problem you should get your vet out and diagnose what the problem is. Once you have a diagnosis then the corect treament can be given.

 

[rhino]

You don't need a vet's permission to have a physio attend your horse. You do need it to be referred by a vet IF you are claiming for treatment on insurance but who you have treat your horse is down to you.

That is incorrect I'm afraid.

Remember - It is an offence for any person, other than the owner of the animal, to treat an animal unless the permission of the vet in charge of the case or to whom the animal would be referred is sought and obtained.

Source: http://www.taranet.co.uk/advice-animal_physio.htm

"It is not only essential that a vet is consulted before a physio treats a horse, but it's also a legal requirement.

Source: http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/horsecare/1370/47696.html

If you are looking for the legal frameworks themselves, you will need to check out The Veterinary Surgeon's Act 1966 and The Veterinary Surgeon Exemptions Order 1962.

 

[ladyt25]

That is incorrect I'm afraid.


Source: http://www.taranet.co.uk/advice-animal_physio.htm


Source: http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/horsecare/1370/47696.html

If you are looking for the legal frameworks themselves, you will need to check out The Veterinary Surgeon's Act 1966 and The Veterinary Surgeon Exemptions Order 1962.

Under what law though? I doubt a horse owner could be arrested for having a physio treat their horse without a vet's permission. It's not a legal requirement to have to be registered with a vet for your horse after all. Of course most people are as most people are responsible and most people would consulyt a vet or tell their vet if they are going to have their horse treated by a physio. I don't every time though, I have on occasion but I have my horse seen by a physio about twice a year and i don't aks my vet for the ok.

Have had no police knocking on my door yet!

 

[rhino]

Under what law though?

If you are looking for the legal frameworks themselves, you will need to check out The Veterinary Surgeon's Act 1966 and The Veterinary Surgeon Exemptions Order 1962.

Laid before Parliament 28/11/62
Came into operation 01/12/62

Exemption 4(a)

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1962/2557/pdfs/uksi_19622557_en.pdf

I didn't say anyone was likely to be arrested. I did say that it was illegal practice.

 

[Carefreegirl]

When I recommend people to my physio she always tell me to tell them to inform their vet before she'll see them. Once she's seen them and they're 'on her books' she doesn't require you to tell the vet for future routine visits. If it's vet referral or something that she feels needs veterinary treatment she then works with the vet. Tbh if I rang a different physio that my horse hadn't seen before, I would be concerned if they didn't ask me to inform my vets.

 

[SonnysHumanSlave]

FYI: He has not been lame for 3 years, he has just sometimes been a bit stiff etc, nothing that has been any problems. He has never been in pain etc. Just now I think back they are all connected.

I got the physio out under recommendations of a BHSI, of going down the cheaper routes first.

I have called the owner and had a chat with them with it, I have said to them it has never got worse over the time i've had him, i'm just asking him to do more and theres a problem.
I am going to get the vet out, and get a proper diagnosis. However they are aware of the situation and as said if he cant do what I want they are happy to have him back and retire him. Worst case scenario.

I wont even be able to dressage him, as he cant go straight, thats really gutting

Im just going to put it to the back of my mind for now, until the vet comes out.

 

[carthorse]

You are doing the right thing, get a vet to check him out and if he is not up to the work that you want to do , he can be retired. Good luck to you and him.

 

[smellsofhorse]

Wait until the vet sees him and you find out for sure, it may not be as bad as you think.

Sending positive vibes