Thinline cable ties versus normal ones

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What is the difference between thinline cable ties and normal ones? The thinline ones are about £8 for 16 whereas you can get a massive bag of the normal ones much cheaper.

10 minutes it say in the video to get the muzzle right fit two hours late still trying to get it right and think I might need a huge sack of cable ties.

Also has anyone used the thinline halter and does it make it easier to fit the muzzle?

It looks like Homey's thinline grazing muzzle will fit Bert which is great as they cost £85. I used a leather headcollar for Homey's and I think it will be ok for Bert but I feel a bit sentimental about it so thinking about getting Bert the thinline one.

I tested Bert about 5 times to and get the fit right this evening and he was really quick to know how to handgraze with it on.
 
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The Thinline ones look to be reusable, so you could just buy cheap ones that are the same width. This photo looks to be using the sort of ties which are used in sandwich bags, which could work too.
 

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I used plastic covered wire ties to get the fit correct when I changed the head collar, then used ordinary cable ties, just made sure they were a similar size to thinline Ones, fingers crossed he’s had it about nine months with these cable ties with no problems ..
 
A couple of people on my yard use this muzzle. They said the thinline cable ties break in an emergency which normal ones are less likely to do or the muzzle may break instead of the ties.

They have broken a couple times releasing the muzzle with no damage in an emergency. Horses are out overnight in the summer so no one around to see if they got caught.
 
The Thinline ones lie flat without a distinct head on them, but normal ones work just fine.

I guess if you had a bitey/picky field companion they might target the heads and break them, but it's a lot of money to pay to prevent that.
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poiuytrewq said:
Thinline are safety ones. Do they not have a little hole at some point to make a break point?
I bought slightly thinner ones from Amazon for a few pound for about 100! They do just as good a job and a few have been broken so I'm happy they will give if needed.
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I just got 200 from B&H for 3.50. I couldn't see a hole in the thinline ones but at least with the B&H it is easier to use those to get the fit right and then put on the thinline ones.
 
I use normal ones but slightly thinner. I have had no problems with them not breaking as they have numerous times!
 
I'd imagine the thinline ones have a specific breaking point (pressure wise) which they believe is a good balance between being strong enough to keep it on and weak enough to break if caught.

By buying yourself you're guessing what that'd be. I personally would still buy but start with thinner ones and only go thicker if they keep breaking. I'd also use a cheap thin leather headcollar instead of a nylon one
 
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I just got 200 from B&H for 3.50. I couldn't see a hole in the thinline ones but at least with the B&H it is easier to use those to get the fit right and then put on the thinline ones.
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Maybe not, I thought mine did but my first one was years ago. I can’t remember about the more recent was second hand and had no ties with it
 
criso said:
A couple of people on my yard use this muzzle. They said the thinline cable ties break in an emergency which normal ones are less likely to do or the muzzle may break instead of the ties.

They have broken a couple times releasing the muzzle with no damage in an emergency. Horses are out overnight in the summer so no one around to see if they got caught.
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This is why I suggested cheap ones. Quality cable ties are less likely to break in an emergency, but cheap ones definitely do.
 
YO has said Bert went out with muzzle on and came in with the headcollar on but no muzzle so the thinline ties definitely do break. It will be dark by the time I get to the yard this evening so not much chance of find the plastic part of the muzzle to see what damage has been done to it. Thankfully tomorrow is a Saturday so I can go and look for it if I can't find it this evening.

So he is on soaked hay instead of muzzle for time being until I can get new plastic bit if it is broken or completely lost the field is huge!

I do have still 8 thinline cable ties left if the plastic is still in one piece as at £85 each they are not cheap to replace.
 
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YO has said Bert went out with muzzle on and came in with the headcollar on but no muzzle so the thinline ties definitely do break. It will be dark by the time I get to the yard this evening so not much chance of find the plastic part of the muzzle to see what damage has been done to it. Thankfully tomorrow is a Saturday so I can go and look for it if I can't find it this evening.

So he is on soaked hay instead of muzzle for time being until I can get new plastic bit if it is broken or completely lost the field is huge!

I do have still 8 thinline cable ties left if the plastic is still in one piece as at £85 each they are not cheap to replace.
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One of the horses in with my boys at our old yard wore a thinline muzzle and the other horses were pulling it off almost daily. They ended up buying a much cheaper one (not secured using cable ties) which stayed on.
 
I have seen the opposite problem, horses break the non thinline cables ties too easily, as in horses learn to deliberately snap them. You ideally need pretty thick cable ties for them to not keep snapping. But cable ties are cheap. Buy some you think will snap safely in a full out emergency but not through horse trying to snap them intentionally. If you horse snaps too often try thicker ones. Repeat until you find the perfect thickness he doesnt regularly snap.
 
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I have seen the opposite problem, horses break the non thinline cables ties too easily, as in horses learn to deliberately snap them. You ideally need pretty thick cable ties for them to not keep snapping. But cable ties are cheap. Buy some you think will snap safely in a full out emergency but not through horse trying to snap them intentionally. If you horse snaps too often try thicker ones. Repeat until you find the perfect thickness he doesnt regularly snap.
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So I managed to find the muzzle amongst the masses of grass this evening using my big torch and have attached to a different headcollar. These are the last of the thinline cable ties but I have a bag of other ones that are not as thick as the thinline ones but potentially stronger. If he breaks the thinline ones again tomorrow I think I have to take a risk and try the B & H ones.
 
Just gone up to the field and it is still on.

We are one of the few yards in the area that offer day turnout all year round and we still have 2 massive fields with grass that is being rested.
 

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