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She has obviously been for sale for quite a while but not sold, ad dated 14th Dec but states available end of Sept at weaning.

I suppose the price is too expensive, if I was the seller I would remove the last sentence of the ad as I feel it's putting people off.

Wonder if they would take an offer for her, I have about £20 in the loose change jar.
 
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Thistle said:
She has obviously been for sale for quite a while but not sold, ad dated 14th Dec but states available end of Sept at weaning.

I suppose the price is too expensive, if I was the seller I would remove the last sentence of the ad as I feel it's putting people off.

Wonder if they would take an offer for her, I have about £20 in the loose change jar.
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She is very expensive, but then we had an ex flat racer that was sold for £250,000.00 as a yearling - we paid £800 for him as a 12 yr old - he was given foc to his groom at 4 years old as he showed no form! It#s a long term and risky investment buying a weanling.
 
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Possible a little long in the cannon bone and pastern for me, but Ilike the breeding enough that if I was looking I would like to see in the flesh. Price wise surely that is the point of gaining these premiums to try and put a reasonable pricetag on the youngstock and it is by a graded stallion whose son won Badminton.
It scares me how cheap some of these youngsters are going for, I know times are hard but devaluing stock does not help and there is a duty of care in bringing stock into this world to try and place them in homes that can look after them. Some of the posts on here on the management of foals that have been bought in are more than a little worrying :) (Im not saying just because someone has picked up a bargain they dont know what they are doing, just that the buying is still the cheapest part of bringing up a youngstock and specialist facilities are needed for them)
 
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Possible a little long in the cannon bone and pastern for me, but Ilike the breeding enough that if I was looking I would like to see in the flesh. Price wise surely that is the point of gaining these premiums to try and put a reasonable pricetag on the youngstock and it is by a graded stallion whose son won Badminton.
It scares me how cheap some of these youngsters are going for, I know times are hard but devaluing stock does not help and there is a duty of care in bringing stock into this world to try and place them in homes that can look after them. Some of the posts on here on the management of foals that have been bought in are more than a little worrying :) (Im not saying just because someone has picked up a bargain they dont know what they are doing, just that the buying is still the cheapest part of bringing up a youngstock and specialist facilities are needed for them)
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Spot on and as for the comment about less then knowledgeable people buying youngsters that seems to be a growing trend. We have someone who just about knows the front end for the back & has purchased a PBA yearling as a first horse. Also there is little point in breeders making the effort to use decent stallions/mares only to give the produce away!
 
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I don't generally judge foals, I leave that to the more experienced. However, and I accept that it may be the photograph, but though neither the length of cannon bones, nor pastern would bother me a great deal, the fact that she appears to be back at the knee, and I wouldn't be overly struck on her hocks, would both cause me concern.

Again, we look at the sire, and the dam's sire, but I fail to see any mention of the dam's line. What did the dam achieve, what did her dam achieve? The fact that the sire produced a Badminton horse, is an irrelevance. The questions, I think, should be directed to the mare line.

First premium or not, I think that she's a rather week looking foal, and she's way too expensive, as she appears, in her photograph, and her breeding.

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Again, we look at the sire, and the dam's sire, but I fail to see any mention of the dam's line. What did the dam achieve, what did her dam achieve? The fact that the sire produced a Badminton horse, is an irrelevance. The questions, I think, should be directed to the mare line.

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What the sire produces is a start, a good one, and Landmark has produced some lovely trainable stock. Quickstar has produced some super jumpers so that should be a reason to pick up the phone to ask more if you were looking for youngstock. Photos are notorious for not showing the true picture, so you still would have to look at the foal in the flesh and then it is still a bit of a leap of faith where they will finish.
 
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maestro said:
It scares me how cheap some of these youngsters are going for, I know times are hard but devaluing stock does not help and there is a duty of care in bringing stock into this world to try and place them in homes that can look after them. Some of the posts on here on the management of foals that have been bought in are more than a little worrying :) (Im not saying just because someone has picked up a bargain they dont know what they are doing, just that the buying is still the cheapest part of bringing up a youngstock and specialist facilities are needed for them)
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Yep. I have stopped coming on here so often, because I end up sitting on my hands and frothing at the mouth at some of the fluffy bunny questions about why the cute ickle foaly is nibbling, kicking, not leading etc.

Scary how many people think it appropriate to buy weanlings without doing any research at all about managing/training a foal - you do have to start somewhere, I realise, but at least kick off the rose tinted glasses and understand what you have to do, or make sure you will have access to experienced help BEFORE buying the baby.

It is, in fact, a real horse these people are potentially turning into dangerous lunatics. These first 2 years after weaning are so vital to a horse becoming a well-adjusted individual, for him to become someone's forever perfect partner riding horse... rant, rant, rant some more...

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First premium or not, I think that she's a rather week looking foal, and she's way too expensive, as she appears, in her photograph, and her breeding.

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I have to disagree with you Alec. This isn't a 1st Premium, it's a Higher 1st Premium = A foal with an overall mark of 8.5 - 8.99 at the Futurity, having been also marked by an experienced breeding vet, will not be behind at the knee. That photo is just misleading and I have a feeling that will have something to do with the angle it was taken and the colouring of the legs due to the shedding of the foal coat.

She isn't necessarily weak either. She's very young with A LOT of blood. She'll probably be fast over a cross country course. As other have said. She'd have to be seen in the flesh, but to me, a Higher First Premium is a good first indication of potential and physical ability to do the job she was bred for (eventing, I guess).
 
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There are certain times when I photograph my foals and look at the angles and build of the foals and I don't find it pleasing. But then I watch them in real life and wait a month or two and they all come into themselves eventually. When you're breeding larger horses, particularly when they have a good amount of blood in them, they do go through gawky stages and not just at the yearling/2 year old stage. If this foal gained a Higher 1st Premium then the judges saw something that may not be apparent in this photo so I'd blame it on the photo with a little bit of "going through a development stage" thrown in for good measure. There are things I could pick on with what I see in the photo but there are also parts about her that are rather nice. Time will tell, I've had a couple of plain Janes turn into beautiful swans.
 
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GinnieRedwings said:
....... That photo is just misleading and I have a feeling that will have something to do with the angle it was taken and the colouring of the legs due to the shedding of the foal coat.

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There are certain times when I photograph my foals and look at the angles and build of the foals and I don't find it pleasing. .......
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Explain something to me, if you had a foal, which you thought to be worth £6.5k, or there abouts, would you have put up a pic, such as that, to promote her sale? I wouldn't.

There's nothing wrong with blood, I'm all for it, but were I to sell such a foal, I'd make the most of the mare line, if it exists. I'd have a better pic, too.

Alec.
 
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