Thoughts on this R.I.D Gelding?

[IrishEmma]

I'm thinking of buying this Registered Irish draught gelding, owner lives near me. He's 2 year old and he's at least 16hh at the moment. I know the horse and he has a great temperament. Pictures there of him and his pedigree. Would be interested to know what he would be worth once broken, I don't have much knowledge of RIDs. What I would like to do with him is buy him, break him next summer and keep him until he is 4 years old then sell him on again. If someone could venture a guess of his worth as a broken 3 year old and then as a 4 year old with a bit of everything done. Sorry for bad pics! Thanks.

 

[stormox]

Its very difficult, if not impossible, to know what the horse trade will be like in 1or 2 years time. And it would depend if he showed talent at anything. Looking at latest sales a 4 yr old ID (He will only become RID if you get him inspected) would be making between 1200 and 2000. However, if he showed promise as a jumper or had the paces for dressage he would be worth a bit more. Breeding really means nothing with a gelding, you can only judge him as the horse he is.

 

[Goldenstar]

Do you realise how big and wide he may be when mature ?
I love IDs I have two but they too wide for me ( they are for my OH ) .
As too value I don't know I paid £4000 of a nice traditional type 5yo last Christmas very green and raw had seen hounds, from a dealer in the uk.
He filled out loads since then and grown I find him as difficult to ride as Fatty.
In my view they are the best wieght carrying hunters for gents who ride infrequently so as hunter is how I would produce one .
Fatty at 8 was on the market at £8500 as a sit on purpose produced hunter , in his case the lady who bought him at three and started him off sold him because he matured to be too big for her to ride .

 

[PorkChop]

I like him very much It depends where his talent lies as to how much he will be worth next year - though I would say that good hunters always sell well.

 

[samlf]

Personally I wouldn't pay anything for a three year old that big already broken, as I think it means he'll likely be broken in the future too.

However as a 4 year old lightly broken, quality ID with a good temperament and ability to be a decent allrounder then you could probably get £4k+ for him

 

[abracadabra]

Geldings dont need to be inspected, they used to become RID just by having their danglies off as I understand it. But the 'R' bit has been dropped now too. He'd be an ID C4.

It's hard to say OP, as Stormox says we don't know what prices will be like in the future. You also can't guarantee he will be saleable in 2 years, or if he will be injured or dead, costing you a fortune in the process. I wouldn't bother buying him if you are looking to get X amount back, just buy him if you like him and want to have some fun,

 

[Spottyappy]

Have recently purchased a 5 year old rid mare, backed but green. Hacks but hasn't done any competing. Schooling nicely. Paid under 2k, by quite a lot. That's here in England, OP.

 

[stormox]

No, abracadabra, geldings were classed as ID, (I have bred several, and they all have ID on their books) but inspection for them was free, as opposed to mares and stallions who had to pay a fee. If they passed inspection then they could be classed as RID. But it is all changed now because HSI(Horse sport Ireland) has taken over the inspections from the IDHS, who are trying to keep their own inspections going but are facing difficulties with HSI.
Yes, I would say buy him for fun, and the pleasure of breaking him, but it may not be profitable as regards moneywhen u total up worming, farrier, vet, feed, innoculations etc over the next 2 years. LJR, he wouldn't be ready to hunt next year- he wouldn't be mature enough as hes only 2 at the moment. Maybe when hes 5 but as IDs are quite late maturing, not before.

 

[Pilib]

For reference I bought a 17hh 7 year old RID last year, with nice breeding started but VERY green, for £1500.
I thought that if an ID had RID parents they were automatically RID?
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[abracadabra]

That s not how I understand it Stomox, as far as I knew they were RID once they were gelded, automatically.

No Pilib, there's an inspection process, they used to be given the 'R' once they were inspected. Now the R is dropped and its class 1 class 2 etc

 

[spacefaer]

Personally I wouldn't pay anything for a three year old that big already broken, as I think it means he'll likely be broken in the future too.

??? !!

All our 17hh++ ID hunters were broken as 3 yr olds, including the 18hh - I know the lady who started the 18hh off as a 3 yr old and he's now 13 - hunts every week and would pass a 5 stage vetting tomorrow.

Our 4 yr old ID is 17.2hh now - he was backed and ridden away for 6 weeks last summer, and then turned away for the winter. He was brought back into work in April, ridden for 6 weeks and turned away. I got back on him last week and will ride him for a few weeks now, before he goes back in the field until next spring, when he'll be 5. He'll go autumn hunting next year and see how he goes. He is still growing and maturing and will be for another 4 years probably. We have had big young horses for years and we listen to them in terms of bringing them on - when they sleep a lot, they get a break as it means they're growing


OP your 2 yr old looks lovely and we would buy him from you as a 4 yr old! (I'd buy him now if we had room) Love his breeding and he has a really quiet eye.

If he was 4 now, he'd probably be around the £3500-4000 mark in the UK, if he's as straightforward as he looks now. No idea what he'll be worth in 2016 though!

 

[stormox]

They had to get inspected to get the passport changed, when the passport was first issued to the colt foal it says ID because it might become a gelding or stay entire. If it passes inspection, for which there was no charge if a gelding, the passport got sent up to the office and comes back RID. However, as you rightly say, it has now all changed, if a foal is born of ID parents it is now classed as 1,2,3,4 (European Ruling). The same goes for Connemaras, who also used to have to be inspected.

 

[samlf]

??? !!

All our 17hh++ ID hunters were broken as 3 yr olds, including the 18hh - I know the lady who started the 18hh off as a 3 yr old and he's now 13 - hunts every week and would pass a 5 stage vetting tomorrow.

Our 4 yr old ID is 17.2hh now - he was backed and ridden away for 6 weeks last summer, and then turned away for the winter. He was brought back into work in April, ridden for 6 weeks and turned away. I got back on him last week and will ride him for a few weeks now, before he goes back in the field until next spring, when he'll be 5. He'll go autumn hunting next year and see how he goes. He is still growing and maturing and will be for another 4 years probably. We have had big young horses for years and we listen to them in terms of bringing them on - when they sleep a lot, they get a break as it means they're growing


OP your 2 yr old looks lovely and we would buy him from you as a 4 yr old! (I'd buy him now if we had room) Love his breeding and he has a really quiet eye.

If he was 4 now, he'd probably be around the £3500-4000 mark in the UK, if he's as straightforward as he looks now. No idea what he'll be worth in 2016 though!

I did say it was my opinion - Also I read what you have done as backing at three, not breaking which is fine.

 

[hihosilver]

He is stunning I would buy him if I could! He will be worth a lot as a weight carrying hunter in a few years time.

 

[Clodagh]

He has a lovely face!

 

[conniegirl]

I suspect I know the owner of him, if it is who i think i is then you will be getting a lovely little horse for not much money!

 

[AdorableAlice]

Good job he is in Ireland, I would get there before you if he was in the UK. Heavyweight hunter and a rare find.

 

[CBAnglo]

I think he looks lovely. Just a general question but where is everyone finding IDs for under £2k in England? I would say they go for £4k minimum having done nothing?

 

[Regandal]

He's lovely. I like the piccie with his 2 minders - can just hear them 'ok, that's close enough, you can jog on now'.

 

[conniegirl]

Alice, If the owner is who I think he is, he has several lovely ID's, Lots of stunning connies and a few little ID crosses.
If its the same one then I bought my stunning little small hunter from there!
this is my lad (all 15.2hh of him):

he has been the easiest little horse I've ever had and the above photo was taken at a show 3 months after he was sat on for the first time!

 

[tankgirl1]

nothing constructive to add just that he second pic of him with ears pricked flanked by " grumpy looking chestnuts made me chuckle lol

 

[Pilib]

I think he looks lovely. Just a general question but where is everyone finding IDs for under £2k in England? I would say they go for £4k minimum having done nothing?

I got mine from an ad in the horse and hound! He was advertised for a little more but had a couple of minor (in my opinion) issues. I have had him a year and he's fab would have paid double happily!

 

[Spottyappy]

I think he looks lovely. Just a general question but where is everyone finding IDs for under £2k in England? I would say they go for £4k minimum having done nothing?

Got ours from a dealer.

 

[Ceriann]

I bought my 4 year old 3/4 ID mare almost two years ago - broken, hacking quietly and popping some small natural fences but green from a schooling perspective. I bought her as she was so quiet (massive bonus that she was a steel grey dapple). I paid just over 2.5k for her and given everything else I looked at at the time I was pretty pleased with that. I love ID's - they make brilliant all rounders and generally very easy to care for as so hardy.

 

[JanetGeorge]

I think he looks lovely. Just a general question but where is everyone finding IDs for under £2k in England? I would say they go for £4k minimum having done nothing?

There aren't TOO many bargain basement pure IDs around - and those who are cheap either have faults - or belong to people DESPERATE to sell! Prices ARE down on 6-7 years ago. I remember having to pay £10,000 for a lovely 3 year old mare who'd shown successfully as a 2 year old (in Ireland) - she wasn't backed or graded! She's done me well since - was easy to back and has produced 7 very nice foals - and got her Hornby Select status ths year. But I wouldn't get that sort of money now - last foal sold went for £6,500 as a backed 4 year old. Right now, I'm selling backed and graded 4 year olds for £5,500 - 6,000 - and there's no 'profit' in that!

A lot fewer breeders in the last year or two - they could be MUCH more expensive in 2-3 years!

 

[stormox]

Yes, its a shame but not many breeders are breeding Irish Draughts now, most breeders are trying to go for the big money and using foreign competition horses as even the best Draught foals fetch small money in comparison. The gene pool is getting smaller each year, and the Irish Draughts that are bred are getting lighter of bone and more like sports horses-

 

[IrishEmma]

Alice, If the owner is who I think he is, he has several lovely ID's, Lots of stunning connies and a few little ID crosses.
If its the same one then I bought my stunning little small hunter from there!
this is my lad (all 15.2hh of him):

he has been the easiest little horse I've ever had and the above photo was taken at a show 3 months after he was sat on for the first time!

Hi! You must have him wrong! This man has two broodmares - an ID and an ISH, thats all! He just breeds from them every year

 

[canteron]

Just as a thought, if you do produce him as a hunter, he will probably need to have done more than one year and to be a little bit older to really be able to sell as a safe hunter. ID especially can take a long time to mature and also I seem to remember mine didn't stop growing/filling and really grow up mentally until she was about 9yo.

Like all things, you may or not make money, so if you do it, really make sure you are going to enjoy the journey.

He is beautiful by the way. I adore ID's having a 17yo girl at home who is revered as family pet who anyone and everyone can ride who I have had from a troublesome 6yo.

 

[kassieg]

I like him a lot !! really really nice type & a lovely face

I do think that you would need to keep him till he as at least 5 to make any kind of "profit" but I would buy him anyway

 

[IrishEmma]

Anything over £4k, I would be very happy with after it all. I don't mind, though, I'll have lots of fun on the way! I presume there would be more of a market for ID hunters or what sort of direction do you think to go with him?