Tildren and Cartophen

[GrecianDawn]

Hey all. I have two questions.

First, can a horse recieve both within a month? I was supposed to give Tildren 3 months ago, but just couldn’t get it back then.

2nd question is about Tildren? We have always given Tildren as one time IV drip and now it is sold as 10 im injections. Is that the same Tildren?

Thanks all!

 

[Widgeon]

Mine had both within a month - from memory I think we did Tildren first as the IV drip (a very slow drip, plus buscopan because mine gets colicy after Tildren if we're not careful), then the first of the cartrophen jabs a week or so later. Then the additional cartrophen jabs were at weekly intervals - that was the first time he had them so I think he had a course of four. That was two years ago. He also had steroids into his hock, and I think we did that on a different day again (everything went on one invoice so I did try to check for you, but I couldn't tell). I'm pretty certain it was all within a month.

A year after that we repeated the Tildren and did one cartrophen jab, again on a different day, then another steroid jab to hock. At that time my vet didn't say anything about Tildren injections - drip was the only option.

I hope that helps a bit! Mine is due another go of steroid and cartrophen, but I don't think I'll be able to afford the Tildren again now we're not covered by insurance.

 

[Birker2020]

My previous horse had Tildren three times in the space of a year under insurance. It was via an infusion and as Wigeon said, slowly to prevent colic so over a period of 45 minutes. Mine also had buscopan as they were colic prone too. I don't know if you can get it in injectionable form, I've never heard of that before.

I don't think Cartrophen was recognised then, back in 2012, it wasn't on my vets radar anyway.

 

[GrecianDawn]

My previous horse had Tildren three times in the space of a year under insurance. It was via an infusion and as Wigeon said, slowly to prevent colic so over a period of 45 minutes. Mine also had buscopan as they were colic prone too. I don't know if you can get it in injectionable form, I've never heard of that before.

I don't think Cartrophen was recognised then, back in 2012, it wasn't on my vets radar anyway.

We also always used Tildren as a slow iv drip, so I was very surprises when they told me I get 10 vials to use for 10 days. :/ This is the first time this horse is getting Tildren, so fingers crossed no colic signs appear. Thank you!

 

[GrecianDawn]

Mine had both within a month - from memory I think we did Tildren first as the IV drip (a very slow drip, plus buscopan because mine gets colicy after Tildren if we're not careful), then the first of the cartrophen jabs a week or so later. Then the additional cartrophen jabs were at weekly intervals - that was the first time he had them so I think he had a course of four. That was two years ago. He also had steroids into his hock, and I think we did that on a different day again (everything went on one invoice so I did try to check for you, but I couldn't tell). I'm pretty certain it was all within a month.

A year after that we repeated the Tildren and did one cartrophen jab, again on a different day, then another steroid jab to hock. At that time my vet didn't say anything about Tildren injections - drip was the only option.

I hope that helps a bit! Mine is due another go of steroid and cartrophen, but I don't think I'll be able to afford the Tildren again now we're not covered by insurance.

Thank you very much, your answer really did put my mind at ease now that I know horses can get both close to each other. This horse is done with steroids due to pretty much advanced arthritis, but we are hoping to get him pain free and trying our best. Money is not an issue at the moment, but no matter how much I’m ready to pay, some things just cannot be fixed by it. Unfortunately. Thank you for your help!

 

[Widgeon]

This horse is done with steroids due to pretty much advanced arthritis, but we are hoping to get him pain free and trying our best. Money is not an issue at the moment, but no matter how much I’m ready to pay, some things just cannot be fixed by it. Unfortunately. Thank you for your help!

oh poor you and horse - all the best with it, I hope it helps him. Because we tend to give mine the full works more or less at once, it's hard to say what's helping most, but some people do find that tildren and cartrophen make a big difference. One of the vets on our yard gives her horse regular cartrophen for a minor niggle, and she wouldn't do that if it didn't help.

 

[lynz88]

I haven't tried Tildren but I do use Cartrophen. I give it monthly and I swear it makes a difference. He starts to get a bit sticky and just struggles a bit by 3-ish weeks and I keep him on a 4 week schedule. 1 bute, Cartrophen monthly, and hoof boots keeps him comfy. The last time I did a jab in the hocks was nearly 2 years ago.

 

[Sossigpoker]

Depending on where the arthritis is , I'd suggest Arthamid too. It got my boy with a nearly fused hock sound in 48 hours.
He also had Osphos as an injection.
Tildren and Osphos are the same family of drugs ,.only Tildren is given via an IV infusion whilst Osphos is given into the muscle.

 

[LEC]

Depends how comfortable you are using it as I would describe 3 months after each other as very high level use.

https://www.doctorramey.com/tildren-and-osphos-more-concerns/

 

[Gamebird]

I don't think Cartrophen was recognised then, back in 2012, it wasn't on my vets radar anyway.

Cartrophen has been around for decades. It was certainly available when I graduated in 1999.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Depending on where the arthritis is , I'd suggest Arthamid too. It got my boy with a nearly fused hock sound in 48 hours.
He also had Osphos as an injection.
Tildren and Osphos are the same family of drugs ,.only Tildren is given via an IV infusion whilst Osphos is given into the muscle.

One of mine had the arthamid in his hocks and although he only has mild changes its really worked.

MY other horse had osphos for navicular changes years ago and his been find and not had to have any more treatment since diagnosis.