Tips for calming down an excitable horse trotting behind out hacking!

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I've had my boy for 2 years - he's very anxious and sensitive and can be reactive but however soooooo much better now then when I first got him having had a 5 stage vetting and turned out to need months of rehab as was weak from being over worked at sale livery.

Anyway 2 years on, regular physio and everything checked and given the all clear over a year ago now and then his saddle didn't fit and then I tore ligaments in my ankle but putting that aside now we are hoping to finally get going this year and we are currently having lessons and he's doing super well but recently he's got into a bad habit out hacking, I say recently he's been doing it a few months - mainly with other horses but can do it on his own sometimes as well.
If we are trotting alongside or behind another horse he just sees it as one big race and I think before I got him he was pinned down in draw reins so his go to is to tuck his head in, do a really choppy trot and then try to canter or bronc! He doesn't really ever do it out in front and only occasionally when on his own. Now I put it down on his own to too often trotting up the same hill as he's tends to do it on our regular trot parts it's almost like he anticipates and just wants to get there quicker so I try not to trot him where he expects it now but I went out with a friend last week and he's great in walk (apart from his days where he's very spooky!) but as soon as we go to trot he will be fine for a minute and then revert to his choppy trot and bronc sideways across the road for a few strides and go as fast as he can to catch up and then he will carry on his merry way again. Some days he realises his he can lengthen his stride but still tries to go like the clappers! It's very very frustrating! Now I don't think maybe I help as I probably need to give him a longer rein but I've got hold of him so he doesn't charge off or shoot out into the road into a car (he'd never mean to do it on purpose but just gets silly)
He's very sensitive and doesn't really like you taking a hold and does work better schooling for example if you have a longer rein but I keep wondering - should I push him forwards, bring him back to walk, let go of my rein etc - I'm trying to use my seat and slow my rising. he's not strong but does then lean and if you grab hold he grabs hold more! It's like he's frustrated he can't keep up!
We did a lot of hacking on our own last year so it wasn't that often he did a lot of trotting in company and he used to be fine trotting behind when I first got him and we went out with a horse one day who can be similar and they both thought it was a race and I just need to chill him out a bit and make him realise he needs to slow down and trot behind without broncing! When he's like that even a car splashing in a puddle will make him shoot off and do a couple hops! God help me if I were to canter behind another horse out hacking!

Any tips to help and chill him out would be great! He's not attached to other horses and we can pass horses hacking and he's fine and he'll happily let them go off further down the road when in walk.
 
No there isn't but he always used to go behind fine so I want him to be able to do that and also he has to learn as when I ride with my daughter she sometimes like to trot ahead and wait for me - which he seems to be fine with when it's my daughters pony! Also the friend I rode with at the weekend - if her horse went behind they'd be on top of us as he has such a massive stride, he's a big lad!
 
I have the same problem. The only times I manage calm trotting behind is when he is completely balanced. Then he is fine. As soon as he is rushing and off balance it is a downwards spiral. If he doesn't start off balanced I never manage to retrieve the situation, it has to be right from the first steps. I thinks he scares himself. I probably only manage 5% of the time.

Not very helpful I know! But the times that I manage I am behind a horse with a similar stride length, not too slow or else he gets irate, not too fast that he gets left behind. Also, I have usually been asking for neck flexions to each side as we walk along and generally doing lots of bending before we trot.
 
If you have any offroad hacking, then schooling as you hack such as leg yielding, circles, transitions (although transitions can make a hot horse hotter), forward and backs using your seat - the key is to get his mind to engage and not simply think about the horse in front. If you are solely on the road, I would definitely be using a pair of draw reins for your safety and his and maybe box up to somewhere where you can practice some schooling behind another horse. If you have an arena, you could also try riding behind another horse in a safe environment.
 
You need to work on this with another rider who is willing to cooperate - to slow down or come back to walk etc as you need.

This may or may not work, depends on what exactly is upsetting your horse/causing his behaviour but I would try asking the lead horse to trot as slow as they can, almost jog, so that your horse isn't getting left behind. If anything you are having to slow him down as well. And see if you can get short burst of calm trotting. Think 10-20 strides to start.

If he gets excited/upset come back to walk, if that helps. Then not till he is completely chilled again, try again aiming to keep the calm trot slow & short. And praise him when its going right.

I would be aiming to make trotting "boring" and remove the opportunity or inclination to race.

All the schooling suggestions others have made may help with keeping him focused on you and help you relax and not accidentally tense up and grab hold of him making things worse.
Working on lengthening and shortning the stride in the arena will really help.

Once you have calm short, slow trots, try short trots at 'normal' speed. Maybe starting slow and slowly letting the stride lengthen, and slow down or walk again if you feel him getting excited.

You could also do lots of work on trotting past the lead horse, slowing and letting them catch-up/over take etc. I'd do a fair bit of this in walk first so that he gets used to being first, being behind etc and its not a "big thing".

But you need a really good friend who is going to stop/start/slow when you need them to. It is very hard to work on if they just want to trot along at their pace.
 
You need to work on this with another rider who is willing to cooperate - to slow down or come back to walk etc as you need.

This may or may not work, depends on what exactly is upsetting your horse/causing his behaviour but I would try asking the lead horse to trot as slow as they can, almost jog, so that your horse isn't getting left behind. If anything you are having to slow him down as well. And see if you can get short burst of calm trotting. Think 10-20 strides to start.

If he gets excited/upset come back to walk, if that helps. Then not till he is completely chilled again, try again aiming to keep the calm trot slow & short. And praise him when its going right.

I would be aiming to make trotting "boring" and remove the opportunity or inclination to race.

All the schooling suggestions others have made may help with keeping him focused on you and help you relax and not accidentally tense up and grab hold of him making things worse.
Working on lengthening and shortning the stride in the arena will really help.

Once you have calm short, slow trots, try short trots at 'normal' speed. Maybe starting slow and slowly letting the stride lengthen, and slow down or walk again if you feel him getting excited.

You could also do lots of work on trotting past the lead horse, slowing and letting them catch-up/over take etc. I'd do a fair bit of this in walk first so that he gets used to being first, being behind etc and its not a "big thing".

But you need a really good friend who is going to stop/start/slow when you need them to. It is very hard to work on if they just want to trot along at their pace.
This is a great idea thank you! I do have a school but he hates our arena as it's gone big stone wall sides and it's very small so I tend to take him elsewhere to ride in an arena. I do have off road hacking so will try these things and will see if I can find a friend that is willing to go steady!

I rode him out tonight and my partner long reined my daughters pony and did some practice then but he was still exactly the same and I find it very hard not to grab the reins when he then puts his head in the air and tries to shoot off faster! I made him work behind her (she's only 12.2 but she's got a very fast walk and she can be just as bad for trying to whizz off!) but he doesn't usually worry about her but he was on one behind her today! When i trotted him in front eventually he went really nicely! I'm determined to do more and more behind another horse as I don't want him to be one of those that has to go in front everywhere!
 
I have the same problem. The only times I manage calm trotting behind is when he is completely balanced. Then he is fine. As soon as he is rushing and off balance it is a downwards spiral. If he doesn't start off balanced I never manage to retrieve the situation, it has to be right from the first steps. I thinks he scares himself. I probably only manage 5% of the time.

Not very helpful I know! But the times that I manage I am behind a horse with a similar stride length, not too slow or else he gets irate, not too fast that he gets left behind. Also, I have usually been asking for neck flexions to each side as we walk along and generally doing lots of bending before we trot.
This sounds really similar to what my boy is doing! He almost panics he's not keeping up (even though he is and is literally right behind them!) and doesn't know how to cope!
 
It took about 2 years to get mine to settle behind in all paces. A lot was down to repetition and her generally settling in herself. A considerable amount was down to me being anxious and holding on too much. Make sure you can control the pace within walk from your seat and half halts without a strong contact, is he actually relaxed in walk or is he winding up to go faster/distracted/ anxious? You might notice more from how he behaves in walk and how that translates to trot. I would also suggest not trotting uphill or in the same places each time. Can you trot at all without taking a hold? Conversely mine was better if I didn't instead grab a hold to control the speed but I appreciate that may not be safe. I also swapped between being behind and in front and make being behind more relaxing, loose rein lots of pats and then when in front she had to march on, go past scary things etc. (this was also necessary as she's 13.2 and our hacking buddies are much bigger 😅) . This just my experience of my speedy pony who used to canter behind going uphill and throw her head around going downhill etc. You may have a different feeling from your beasty.
 
This is a great idea thank you! I do have a school but he hates our arena as it's gone big stone wall sides and it's very small so I tend to take him elsewhere to ride in an arena. I do have off road hacking so will try these things and will see if I can find a friend that is willing to go steady!

I rode him out tonight and my partner long reined my daughters pony and did some practice then but he was still exactly the same and I find it very hard not to grab the reins when he then puts his head in the air and tries to shoot off faster! I made him work behind her (she's only 12.2 but she's got a very fast walk and she can be just as bad for trying to whizz off!) but he doesn't usually worry about her but he was on one behind her today! When i trotted him in front eventually he went really nicely! I'm determined to do more and more behind another horse as I don't want him to be one of those that has to go in front everywhere!
With "grabbing the reins" im picturing a tense (both of you) battle. Im not saying completely give him his head, but and I know how hard this is, try and avoid a constant hard contact & short reins with reins.
Have the reins as long as you feel confident (it may only be 1 inch more) where you have contact and focus on saying woah/slow down/squeezing in the sit stride and then softening you hands/contact slightly on the rise. On the sit stride really say woah/stop as much as you can with your seat and keep the rise minimal and slow (if you can).
Sort of half halting every sit stride and relaxing inbetween, and as soon as he slows down a bit (if he does) becoming much quieter in the sit stride - rewarding his response.

So your not giving a constant contact to fight/lean against.

I hope that makes sense? Im trying to explain what Ive done with similar sounding horses. It doesnt always work.
 
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