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Hi there,
I am a student doing my dissertation on Bute for Equine Science. I would really appreciate your views and help and if you could take a few minutes to answer my questionnaire that would be a huge help! Thank you

Please recopy the questionnaire into your reply and delete the appropriate answers!

Phenylbutazone Questionnaire

Introduction
Phenylbutazone is one of the most common drugs distributed and sold in the UK.
It is a NSAID (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug).
Provides an anti-inflammatory and pain-killing effect.
Used on a variety of horses both in and out of work.
Not allowed in most equine disciplines except Polo
Used for long-term and short-term effect.

Name:
How long have you been around horses?:

Even if you do not own a horse, please feel free to share your experiences with horses that you know that may have been on Bute.

1.Are you a horse owner/sharer/loaner?
Yes No

2.How often do you ride?
Once a week 2-3 week Every Day Monthly Yearly

3.Do you keep your horses at home or on a yard?
Home Yard

4.Has your horse been treated with Bute?
Yes No

5.Why did the horse need Bute?
Injury (cuts,swelling,heat in limb) Lameness Colic Other

6.Who supplied you with the Bute?
Vet Yard Owner Own Supply

7.Who made the decision to use Bute?
Vet Yard Owner Yourself

8.Do you know the pros and cons of Bute?
Yes No Maybe


9.Do you know how long it takes for Bute to leave the system?
3-4 Days 1 week 2 Weeks 3-4 Weeks

10.Do you think Bute should be illegal in competition?
Yes No


11.Should Bute be used for short-term injury only and not used as a long-term pain-relief for ridden horses?
Yes No Don’t know

12. Would you prefer you use herbal remedies as an alternative to chemical medicine?
Yes No

13. Do you think herbal remedies work?
Yes No

Any further comments/ reasoning’s please add below….




Thank you very much!
 
Name: Emma Chapman
How long have you been around horses?: 11 years

1.Are you a horse owner/sharer/loaner?
Yes- Owner

2.How often do you ride?
2-3 times a week

3.Do you keep your horses at home or on a yard?
Yard

4.Has your horse been treated with Bute?
Yes

5.Why did the horse need Bute?
Lameness (arthritis)

6.Who supplied you with the Bute?
Vet / Online

7.Who made the decision to use Bute?
Vet and ourselves

8.Do you know the pros and cons of Bute?
Yes

9.Do you know how long it takes for Bute to leave the system?
Either 3-4 Days or 1 week (Not sure, don't compete and horse isn't intended for human consumption so it's not necessary for us to know)

10.Do you think Bute should be illegal in competition?
Yes

11.Should Bute be used for short-term injury only and not used as a long-term pain-relief for ridden horses?
No

12. Would you prefer you use herbal remedies as an alternative to chemical medicine?
Yes No (Would prefer too but if bute works more effectivley then I would choose that. I use both bute and herbal remedies)

13. Do you think herbal remedies work?
Yes

Any further comments/ reasoning’s please add below…

I use Osmonds Bute-X (Glucosamine, Chrondroitin, Devils claw supplement) alongside bute with my horse who has long term lameness problems (arthritis). Whilst I understand bute is not ideal for long term use, due to the effect it can have on the liver/kidneys etc, he is regularly urine tested for problems with liver/kidney functions, and I would rather have my horse 99% sound, and not in pain and hacked out 2 times a week to stop his joints stiffening (as suggested by the vet) than in pain and field sound only. Hence my reasoning for using bute on a long term basis.
 
Here you go...
Name: Pottamus
How long have you been around horses?: 15 plus years

Even if you do not own a horse, please feel free to share your experiences with horses that you know that may have been on Bute.

1.Are you a horse owner/sharer/loaner?
Yes

2.How often do you ride?
Once a week 2-3 week Every Day Monthly Yearly
6 days per week in summer months and 2 days per week in winter months

3.Do you keep your horses at home or on a yard?
Home

4.Has your horse been treated with Bute?
Yes

5.Why did the horse need Bute?
Injury (cuts,swelling,heat in limb) Lameness Colic Other
Laminitis

6.Who supplied you with the Bute?
Vet

7.Who made the decision to use Bute?
Prior to vet coming out I decided to give him some bute as he was showing signs of lameness. Then the vet advised treatment to include bute

8.Do you know the pros and cons of Bute?
Maybe


9.Do you know how long it takes for Bute to leave the system?
3-4 Days 1 week 2 Weeks 3-4 Weeks
Not sure but I would suggest a couple of days depending on the dose given

10.Do you think Bute should be illegal in competition?
Yes as the horse must be in some level of discomfort surely?

11.Should Bute be used for short-term injury only and not used as a long-term pain-relief for ridden horses?
Not always practical to have a black and white solution. Long term drug use is not good generally but usually the lesser of the two evils.

12. Would you prefer you use herbal remedies as an alternative to chemical medicine?
Yes but only if they were going to work as effectively

13. Do you think herbal remedies work?
Never tried them
 


Name: Sally

How long have you been around horses?: 25 + years


1.Are you a horse owner/sharer/loaner? Yes

2.How often do you ride? Every day

3.Do you keep your horses at home or on a yard?yard

4.Has your horse been treated with Bute? yes

5.Why did the horse need Bute? lameness

6.Who supplied you with the Bute? vet

7.Who made the decision to use Bute?vet

8.Do you know the pros and cons of Bute? yes

9.Do you know how long it takes for Bute to leave the system?3-4 Days

10.Do you think Bute should be illegal in competition? Yes

11.Should Bute be used for short-term injury only and not used as a long-term pain-relief for ridden horses? no

12. Would you prefer you use herbal remedies as an alternative to chemical medicine? yes

13. Do you think herbal remedies work?yes

Any further comments/ reasoning’s please add below….

I actually prefer to to use Danillon, as it's kinder on the system




Thank you very much!

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Mairi.
50 years
1 yes
2 nothing fit enough to ride
3 on my own yard
4 yes
5 lameness
6 vet
7 both myself and vet
8 yes
9 5 days
10 yes
11 short term only
12 no
13 depends on illness - most drugs are derived from plant life anyway.
If bute is used with criteria it is very useful. As with any drug, it should not be used for no good reason and without medical advice. It should also not be used to mask problems.
 
Hi Emma,

You might be worth getting you supervisor to take a look at your questionnaire so that you can get some meaninful data out of it. A lot of it is open to interpretation. Would be a shame to do a load of work for not a great output. I will answer as best I can and also give some pointers ...



Not allowed in most equine disciplines except Polo - <font color="red"> PS, I think you are allowed in BSJA, might need to check that one </font>

Name:
How long have you been around horses?: <font color="red">25 years </font>



1.Are you a horse owner/sharer/loaner?
Yes

2.How often do you ride?
Once a week 2-3 week Every Day Monthly Yearly
<font color="red"> Poor choice, and what about all those very experienced horsemen/women that don't actually ride? For me I usually ride 5/6 times a week</font>

3.Do you keep your horses at home or on a yard?
Yard

4.Has your horse been treated with Bute?
Yes - <font color="red"> when answering this I actually refer to all the horses I have ever had in my care </font>

5.Why did the horse need Bute?
Injury (cuts,swelling,heat in limb) Lameness Colic Other
<font color="red"> So many different reasons but usually lameness related </font>

6.Who supplied you with the Bute?
Vet / Own Supply

7.Who made the decision to use Bute?
Vet / Yourself

8.Do you know the pros and cons of Bute?
Yes
<font color="red"> How easy would it be to say yes here, elieveing you did, and yet really not have a clue? </font>


9.Do you know how long it takes for Bute to leave the system?
3-4 Days 1 week 2 Weeks 3-4 Weeks
<font color="red"> Is it dose dependant? Physiology dependant? Completely erradicated or just at low trace levels on/above/under testing threshold? </font>

10.Do you think Bute should be illegal in competition?
Yes No
<font color="red"> In general I think it should be illegal but I do believe there are certain grey areas so I would find it difficult to state yes/no outright </font>


11.Should Bute be used for short-term injury only and not used as a long-term pain-relief for ridden horses?
Yes No Don’t know
<font color="red"> Again there is a big grey area here. I don't elieve it is soley a short term drug and it can have very beneficial uses long term in certain cases </font>

12. Would you prefer you use herbal remedies as an alternative to chemical medicine?
No

13. Do you think herbal remedies work?
Yes No
<font color="red">what herbal remedies and define work </font>

Any further comments/ reasoning’s please add below….




Thank you very much!

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Name: Emma
How long have you been around horses?: 5 years

1.Are you a horse owner/sharer/loaner?
Yes- owner

2.How often do you ride?
every day

3.Do you keep your horses at home or on a yard?
Yard

4.Has your horse been treated with Bute?
Yes

5.Why did the horse need Bute?
Was advised for use after my horse was treated with mud fever.

6.Who supplied you with the Bute?
Vet

7.Who made the decision to use Bute?
Vet

8.Do you know the pros and cons of Bute?
Maybe


9.Do you know how long it takes for Bute to leave the system?
3-4 Days

10.Do you think Bute should be illegal in competition?
Yes


11.Should Bute be used for short-term injury only and not used as a long-term pain-relief for ridden horses?
short term solution

12. Would you prefer you use herbal remedies as an alternative to chemical medicine?
No

13. Do you think herbal remedies work?
depends, i have had success with some herbal remedies.






Thank you very much!
 
How long have you been around horses?: 43 years

Even if you do not own a horse, please feel free to share your experiences with horses that you know that may have been on Bute.

1.Are you a horse owner/sharer/loaner?

Yes

2.How often do you ride?

3 - 4 times a week

3.Do you keep your horses at home or on a yard?

Yard

4.Has your horse been treated with Bute?

Yes - all of them over the years both short and long term

5.Why did the horse need Bute?

Injury (cuts,swelling,heat in limb) - all of them apart from Chancer at some point have had bute for this.
Lameness - All OAPS and Farra for her abcess
Other - Chancer - after being gelded

6.Who supplied you with the Bute?

Vet and later when needing in bulk - online ordering to save money

7.Who made the decision to use Bute?

Vet/Yourself - depending on what was wrong.

8.Do you know the pros and cons of Bute?

Yes - probably most of what is needed to know

9.Do you know how long it takes for Bute to leave the system?
3-4 Days 1 week 2 Weeks 3-4 Weeks -

Depends on whether you mean for pain relief - 3 -4 days or competition - 2 weeks is required.

10.Do you think Bute should be illegal in competition?

Yes - horses should not be ridden when in pain at competition level. Ok for stiffness in an oldie but not so it can jump etc.

11.Should Bute be used for short-term injury only and not used as a long-term pain-relief for ridden horses?

No - I have used it long term on my older horses for their comfort, much as I would take an asprin.

12. Would you prefer you use herbal remedies as an alternative to chemical medicine?

Yes for mild pain but at the end of the day bute is needed for anything other than minor pain.

13. Do you think herbal remedies work?

To a certain extent

Any further comments/ reasoning’s please add below….

When I had OAPs, I always had bute on hand for those days when they looked stiff or not 100%. I also gave my first TB one every other day before we had all the joint supplements now available to prevent arthritus and also to keep her comfortable. Cairo was on it the last 6 months of his life to keep him comfortable.

I also gave it to Farra (after speaking to vet on phone) when she went lame for a few days to see if she improved).

Excellent stuff and when experienced in using it, I think owners can use it themselves if familiar with the horse and why it is needed, ie old age or old injury that flares up, but if after a few days, no improvement, vet should be called for at least a phone conversation.
 
Phenylbutazone Questionnaire

Introduction
Phenylbutazone is one of the most common drugs distributed and sold in the UK.
It is a NSAID (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug).
Provides an anti-inflammatory and pain-killing effect.
Used on a variety of horses both in and out of work.
Not allowed in most equine disciplines except Polo
Used for long-term and short-term effect.

Name:
How long have you been around horses?:
15 years

Even if you do not own a horse, please feel free to share your experiences with horses that you know that may have been on Bute.

1.Are you a horse owner/sharer/loaner?
Yes

2.How often do you ride?
Every Day

3.Do you keep your horses at home or on a yard?
Home

4.Has your horse been treated with Bute?
Yes

5.Why did the horse need Bute?
Lameness and Colic

6.Who supplied you with the Bute?
Vet but I also have my own supply given by my vet

7.Who made the decision to use Bute?
Vet and myself

8.Do you know the pros and cons of Bute?
Yes, some


9.Do you know how long it takes for Bute to leave the system?
I heard 3-5days, but it can vary depending on the horse so to be safe I would leave it a week.

10.Do you think Bute should be illegal in competition?
Difficult question, as some people would abuse the right to use it to keep a ame horse sound, and could therefor do more damage to the horse, however, I think that there should be some way of making it lega with a vets note. For example, my horse was treated with bute for colic, and I was due to be competing that weekend. Due to the fact that she had been treated we did not compete her, which was a shame as at 3 days after she had been treated she had recovered from the colic, and the bute would be unikely to be having any affect on her.


11.Should Bute be used for short-term injury only and not used as a long-term pain-relief for ridden horses?
I'm not sure of the effects of long-term bute on horses. If they are not too bad, then I think it could be a good way of maintaining a horse with artheritis for example.

12. Would you prefer you use herbal remedies as an alternative to chemical medicine?
Whilst I think some herbal supplements genuinely do work, there are many products that are a con, so you have to be very selective when choosing herbal remedies.

13. Do you think herbal remedies work?
Some of them

Any further comments/ reasoning’s please add below….
 
Name: lucy
How long have you been around horses?: 11 years

1.Are you a horse owner/sharer/loaner?
Yes

2.How often do you ride?
everyday

3.Do you keep your horses at home or on a yard?
Yard

4.Has your horse been treated with Bute?
Yes

5.Why did the horse need Bute?
lameness n injury

6.Who supplied you with the Bute?
Vet

7.Who made the decision to use Bute?
Vet

8.Do you know the pros and cons of Bute?
Yes


9.Do you know how long it takes for Bute to leave the system?
3 to 4 days

10.Do you think Bute should be illegal in competition?
Yes


11.Should Bute be used for short-term injury only and not used as a long-term pain-relief for ridden horses?
No

12. Would you prefer you use herbal remedies as an alternative to chemical medicine?
not sure

13. Do you think herbal remedies work?
hmm some do
 
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Name: Hayley
How long have you been around horses?: 21 years (but probably only 10 years of actually knowing what I was doing)

1.Are you a horse owner/sharer/loaner?
Yes

2.How often do you ride?
Every day during holidays, monthly in term time

3.Do you keep your horses at home or on a yard?
Home

4.Has your horse been treated with Bute?
Yes

5.Why did the horse need Bute?
Injury (cuts,swelling,heat in limb), Lameness

6.Who supplied you with the Bute?
Vet / Own supply

7.Who made the decision to use Bute?
Vet / Yourself

8.Do you know the pros and cons of Bute?
Yes


9.Do you know how long it takes for Bute to leave the system?
3-4 Days

10.Do you think Bute should be illegal in competition?
Yes


11.Should Bute be used for short-term injury only and not used as a long-term pain-relief for ridden horses?
No

12. Would you prefer you use herbal remedies as an alternative to chemical medicine?
No

13. Do you think herbal remedies work?
No



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Name:
How long have you been around horses?:
17 years

1.Are you a horse owner/sharer/loaner?
Owner

2.How often do you ride?
Once a week

3.Do you keep your horses at home or on a yard?
Field

4.Has your horse been treated with Bute?
Yes

5.Why did the horse need Bute?
Arthritis due to cruciate ligament injury

6.Who supplied you with the Bute?
Vet

7.Who made the decision to use Bute?
Myself

8.Do you know the pros and cons of Bute?
Yes


9.Do you know how long it takes for Bute to leave the system?
1 week ?

10.Do you think Bute should be illegal in competition?
I don't think it should be used in high level competition. But I don't have a problem with lower levels such as an veterans ect


11.Should Bute be used for short-term injury only and not used as a long-term pain-relief for ridden horses?
No

12. Would you prefer you use herbal remedies as an alternative to chemical medicine?
Only if it had the same effect

13. Do you think herbal remedies work?
I haven't tried any

Any further comments/ reasoning’s please add below….

I use Bute for a chronic stifle injury with arthritic changes and make sure my horse is blood tested regularly for changes in liver function.
 
Name: Rhianne Platts

How long have you been around horses?: Nearly 7 years

Even if you do not own a horse, please feel free to share your experiences with horses that you know that may have been on Bute.

1.Are you a horse owner/sharer/loaner?
Yes

2.How often do you ride?
Every Day

3.Do you keep your horses at home or on a yard?
Yard

4.Has your horse been treated with Bute?
Yes

5.Why did the horse need Bute?
Injury (cuts,swelling,heat in limb) and Lameness

6.Who supplied you with the Bute?
Vet

7.Who made the decision to use Bute?
Yourself

8.Do you know the pros and cons of Bute?
Yes

9.Do you know how long it takes for Bute to leave the system?
3-4 Days

10.Do you think Bute should be illegal in competition?
Yes

11.Should Bute be used for short-term injury only and not used as a long-term pain-relief for ridden horses?
No

12. Would you prefer you use herbal remedies as an alternative to chemical medicine?
Yes

13. Do you think herbal remedies work?
Yes

Any further comments/ reasoning’s please add below….

My old boy who is retired is on a satchet of Danilon (very similar to Bute) once every day. He has arthritis and the vet suggested this would be the best thing to do. He is very happy in himself and so I do not see any reason why Bute shouldn't be used long term, if it for the right reasons and if the vet has recommended it.
 
Name: Box of Frogs
How long have you been around horses?: 18 years

Even if you do not own a horse, please feel free to share your experiences with horses that you know that may have been on Bute.

1.Are you a horse owner/sharer/loaner?
Yes

2.How often do you ride?
Couple of times a week

3.Do you keep your horses at home or on a yard?
Yard

4.Has your horse been treated with Bute?
Yes

5.Why did the horse need Bute?
Very serious eye disease

6.Who supplied you with the Bute?
Vet

7.Who made the decision to use Bute?
Vet &amp; myself

8.Do you know the pros and cons of Bute?
Yes


9.Do you know how long it takes for Bute to leave the system?
3-4 Days

10.Do you think Bute should be illegal in competition?
Yes


11.Should Bute be used for short-term injury only and not used as a long-term pain-relief for ridden horses?
Depends on the injury and the horse's age/temperament

12. Would you prefer you use herbal remedies as an alternative to chemical medicine?
No

13. Do you think herbal remedies work?
No

Any further comments/ reasoning’s please add below….
 
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