Toilet Training Help!

DiNozzo

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Hello.

My parents have an 8 month old Yorkshire terrier that they are having problems toilet training. From being a puppy he has been put outside to wee and poo. As he's gotten older, the supervision isn't as close. He is not crate trained, and they won't crate train him. He has been castrated. Probably has been cleaner since then, but very little in it.

He is walked 3 (fairly short) times a day - early morning, mid afternoon and late at night before bed. He is usually, but not always, clean overnight.

He poos consistently outside now.

He will go outside to wee if the back door is open. He wees on walks. Whenever they see him wee outside, he is praised.

He understands he should not wee inside. He slinks around and looks miserable when he has wee'd inside.

He doesn't bark to be out. When he wee's, it is nearly always just next to the back door, on the corner of a cupboard unit. It's as though he knows he should go out, but doesn't know how to get us to open the door.

At night time, when we're in the living room, he sometimes barks to be out (his food and water are in the kitchen) if the door is shut. We praise him for this. We have tried always taking him out whenever he barks. This doesn't seem to have any effect, and he has only very occasionally barked, then had a wee outside (he has been praised profusely for this). Mostly, he looks cross because he wanted out for food.

Does anyone have any suggestions? I'd like to teach him to bark on command and then get him to bark every time we put him at the back door, then open it and praise for weeing outside. However, he isn't the most talkative of dogs to put the command to, and in fact will only really bark when in a high state of arousal (which isn't conducive to training a command!).

Any help, very much appreciated!
 

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I think you just need to be offering him to go out more often. He will probably be giving subtle signals that he needs to go. It’s not his fault you aren’t picking on them. Please don’t ever tell him off for going inside. It’s counter productive and never solves the problem. Most dogs do have a loose routine when they are likely to need to pee, so learn what that it and preempt it.
 
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It's a Yorkie 😉

Honestly, they have tiny bladders. He is still a young puppy, it would be wiser to go back to basics and routinely let him out every 30 minutes.

Clean the area where he goes very thoroughly so he's not marking it.

Agree never tell him off, that might be why the slinking. We might pretend not to be cross, but Dogs Know.

Also query a urine infection. Just an aside which may or may not be related, but that is a very young age to neuter a dog, he's only a baby.
 

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I think you just need to be offering him to go out more often. He will probably be giving subtle signals that he needs to go. It’s not his fault you aren’t picking on them. Please don’t ever tell him off for going inside. It’s counter productive and never solves the problem. Most dogs do have a loose routine when they are likely to need to pee, so learnt what that it and preempt it.
It's a Yorkie 😉

Honestly, they have tiny bladders. He is still a young puppy, it would be wiser to go back to basics and routinely let him out every 30 minutes.

Clean the area where he goes very thoroughly so he's not marking it.

Agree never tell him off, that might be why the slinking. We might pretend not to be cross, but Dogs Know.

Also query a urine infection. Just an aside which may or may not be related, but that is a very young age to neuter a dog, he's only a baby.

He has never been Told Off, but agree, dogs know when they've done something we don't like.

I'd agree on age, but my parents have had Yorkies their whole married lives (going on for 50 years) and have never had one take this long before. They have also castrated at 6 months and have never had a problem. I agree though, I would leave my dogs until they are older. He is brave and outgoing and very healthy. No other symptoms of a urine infection - he's not weeing that often.

He has maybe 2 or 3 accidents a week in the afternoon and occasionally one in the morning (he is let out at 5am having been taken for a last walk and wee at 11). It's not a lot, but our biggest problem is consistency; when he is having accidents, it's at a period when we are unavoidably busy and sometimes can't follow him around. If he would just alert at the back door, it would be easier! He's already going there.
 

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As it’s summer you could fix the door open so he can get out, it’s not his fault if no one notices him going to the door , I have the kitchen door open all of the time when weather permits so I can get in with things without having to worry that someone needs to go out
 

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As it’s summer you could fix the door open so he can get out, it’s not his fault if no one notices him going to the door , I have the kitchen door open all of the time when weather permits so I can get in with things without having to worry that someone needs to go out

Yes, we absolutely can, and do that whenever it isn't windy. The angle of the house and the prevailing wind make it tricky sometimes, but we do this.

I absolutely understand that it's not his fault that no one notices, that's mostly what I'm asking for advice on!
You could try teaching him to ring a bell.
How can we do this? We've tried teaching him to bark, but despite being a yappy breed, isn't actually that vocal.
 

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Agree he is a baby and should be treated as such. My lurcher doesn’t ask to go out he just goes to the kitchen door and I let him out straight away, he is 15 months and not neutered.. I think you are all expecting too much from him
This.

It’s a puppy. Continue to treat him as such.
 

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My rescue bitch still has accidents if I don’t notice her waiting at the door. She’s 9 and also a vocal breed who rarely makes a sound (German Shepherd). It’s my job to notice and one of the benefits of living in a small house is that I can see the back door from the lounge, so accidents are very rare. 😀
 

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I absolutely understand that it's not his fault that no one notices, that's mostly what I'm asking for advice on!
If you understand the above then you will understand the dog IS telling you, its just that no one is listening, the humans in the house need to be more attentive, the dog is not at fault.
Don't allow the dog to free roam, have him in a room with you and when he gets up to leave the room get up, go with him and encourage him outside to 'be clean'
 

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Tbh I wouldn’t leave the door open, it doesn’t teach them in and out, although it’s easier come a day do you don’t want it open you are back at square one.
Remember it is always 100% our fault if a dog is dirty in the house.
 
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Yes, we absolutely can, and do that whenever it isn't windy. The angle of the house and the prevailing wind make it tricky sometimes, but we do this.

I absolutely understand that it's not his fault that no one notices, that's mostly what I'm asking for advice on!

How can we do this? We've tried teaching him to bark, but despite being a yappy breed, isn't actually that vocal.
Everyone needs to take more notice of him then! Be aware of when he approaches the door, stop whatever you are doing *immediately* and let him out. Or let him out every 30 mins or so. I can't bear digs barking to go out. Ours approach the door and wait, if no-one takes any notice they will make sure that they catch someone's eye and approach the door again.
 
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