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That Lithuanian rider uses his crop one more time and I swear-
Tokyo Pentathlon SJ
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Not bad there, got the horse in a rhythm and just sat out of the way and let him do his thing.
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I've just seen this on BBC news, too. How disgusting. What would happen if a coach was seen punching a competitor!? I feel so upset for that horse. As an owner, I don't know why on earth you'd put them forward to partake in this event.
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and that's a wrap. i think the men did a better job overall. there was much less unbalanced wobbling around and the horses looked more confident in what they were doing. some looked like really good riders.
so here is my list:
Cuba 1st
Mexico 1st 2nd
Japan 1st
Kazaqstan 1st
Egypt 1st
Chile 1st
China 2nd (I think)
Lithuania (aggressive)
I think the women need to sort themselves out because the standard of riding was much better today than their riding yesterday.
Cuba 1st
Mexico 1st 2nd
Japan 1st
Kazaqstan 1st
Egypt 1st
Chile 1st
China 2nd (I think)
Lithuania (aggressive)
I think the women need to sort themselves out because the standard of riding was much better today than their riding yesterday.
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Think for the sake of the horses it should be dropped the standard of riding is ibismal people blaming the horses perhaps if they could ride it would help. I wouldn’t consider lending my horse for these people to ride. The poor horse test wouldn’t even start the course was obviously totally stressed out. Common sense really would have been to give the poor girl another horse
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yeah the difference is quite stark isn't it. i wonder what that's about. Sheer bravery looked to play a part in this, the more the horses believed in the riders the better they went, which made for an easier ride even for the less technically good riders. Like, get in a rhythm and an honest horse will jump a fence pretty well. I don't think that's all of it, but to me there was a big difference in the pace today.
also, apart from the Lithuanian rider and the Chilean whose reins broke, none of them got stroppy, pretty much all of them patted their horse. Even the USA guy who had a fair few poles gave his horse lots of love and a kiss on the neck. They seemed to appreciate the horses and those horses were VERY good horses.
I’m all for supporting women but when you can only say that 3, maybe 4 at a push were good enough, that’s pretty poor show!
I’m all for supporting women but when you can only say that 3, maybe 4 at a push were good enough, that’s pretty poor show!
Fluoriet is a lovely horse! One I'd love to have a ride on!
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yeah agreed, there were a couple of really classy horses in the mix.
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They need to overhaul this competition.
Either take the horses out or make some big changes to the equestrian element. EG make it worth double points so the competitors have to be riders who also do other events, rather than say a good athlete who dabbles in riding. I would also be tempted to have them ride their own horse rather than have this pool of horses thing going on. Who in their right mind would ever lend a horse to this competition after seeing the riding yesterday (I haven't watched today)?
Either take the horses out or make some big changes to the equestrian element. EG make it worth double points so the competitors have to be riders who also do other events, rather than say a good athlete who dabbles in riding. I would also be tempted to have them ride their own horse rather than have this pool of horses thing going on. Who in their right mind would ever lend a horse to this competition after seeing the riding yesterday (I haven't watched today)?
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Choong’s hat looks waaay too big for him!
Late to the party but that was a sh!t show.
doesn’t paint our sport in a good light. especially as it fuels the fire for those who are saying all equestrian sport shouldn’t be included at the olympics.
agree with others that the jumps should be considerably lower or omitted altogether. A prix caprilli type event would be better.
doesn’t paint our sport in a good light. especially as it fuels the fire for those who are saying all equestrian sport shouldn’t be included at the olympics.
agree with others that the jumps should be considerably lower or omitted altogether. A prix caprilli type event would be better.
Yup agree. Also seen worse in riding schools and out at both unaffiliated and affiliated, yet no one raises an eyebrow in the same way MP seems to get a reaction.
They're jumping 2cm lower than the smallest fence in the Eventing sj team round...
They're jumping 2cm lower than the smallest fence in the Eventing sj team round...
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well it's GB gold again, followed by the Egyptian that they said had worked really hard on his riding, and then one of the tidy Koreans in bronze. the riding is pretty influential, it's surprising they don't all put everything they've got into really cracking it.
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Lots of stuff in the news (German) this morning about Annika Schleu. There apparently will be consequences, mostly against her trainer/coach according to one particular article. It's brought up animal welfare stuff, of course.
I'm not sure why they can't do a more "US hunter style" course (not riding that style exactly, but the course). In that the jumps are a bit lower and more natural style/color. Perhaps similar to the hunter derby, or something. I don't know. I'm a bit ignorant about this particular sport, but didn't care for what I saw, for the most part.
I'm not sure why they can't do a more "US hunter style" course (not riding that style exactly, but the course). In that the jumps are a bit lower and more natural style/color. Perhaps similar to the hunter derby, or something. I don't know. I'm a bit ignorant about this particular sport, but didn't care for what I saw, for the most part.
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100 per cent my feelings too. There is a good chance that poor horse is now completely mentally sour for any sort of jumping, no matter what level of competing he was at before that ugly fiasco. I am equally sure that trainers/owners willing to allow their horse's to be abused in this event, will use any and every method available to deal with that unwelcome outcome for the horses, but behind closed doors of course. 
Well there is a surprise, Marlin jumping on the back of a horrible incident when he realises the huge potential to keep his name up there and grab even more exposure purely for his own ends. But then lets face it, he probably does need a bit of positive publicity as negative feed back is increasing for him year on year now. Sorry went slightly off topic just there, but that man's spurious claims and so called 'research' to promote his products just infuriates me!
Well there is a surprise, Marlin jumping on the back of a horrible incident when he realises the huge potential to keep his name up there and grab even more exposure purely for his own ends. But then lets face it, he probably does need a bit of positive publicity as negative feed back is increasing for him year on year now. Sorry went slightly off topic just there, but that man's spurious claims and so called 'research' to promote his products just infuriates me!
The winner just described the jumping yesterday as “carnage”…!
I think we've all seen situations where a relaxed and confident but less experienced rider has 8done better that a technically better but nervous one.
The German rider on Saint Boy was awful to watch but I'm not sure what else could have happened assuming he was upset by the first round and didn't want to repeat a bad experience if he could help it. Sending him back in with an unconfident and inexperienced rider was never going to go well.
I wonder what happened in the warm up as she appeared to be in tears from the start.
If that was your own horse, you'd take it home and rebuild its confidence before coming out again.
If nothing else there's a strong argument for not asking these horses to do 2 rounds, the riders shouldn't have to undo damage done by a previous bad rider though it does mean they'd have to source more horses.
The German rider on Saint Boy was awful to watch but I'm not sure what else could have happened assuming he was upset by the first round and didn't want to repeat a bad experience if he could help it. Sending him back in with an unconfident and inexperienced rider was never going to go well.
I wonder what happened in the warm up as she appeared to be in tears from the start.
If that was your own horse, you'd take it home and rebuild its confidence before coming out again.
If nothing else there's a strong argument for not asking these horses to do 2 rounds, the riders shouldn't have to undo damage done by a previous bad rider though it does mean they'd have to source more horses.
People riding at riding schools aren’t purporting to be at the pinnacle of their sport, are they?
Oooh, the new format for 2024 sounds like it might make them up their riding considerably!
BBC just describing new format for MP for Paris. It will be over 90 minutes and eliminations after each round. First round of 36 will be Equestrian and only first 18 will go to second round fencing. That’s a real incentive to improve the standard of riding!
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yeah agreed.
Petition now running on line.
https://www.change.org/p/internatio...ition&utm_term=B>Search>SAP>US>NonBrand>Exact
https://www.change.org/p/internatio...ition&utm_term=B>Search>SAP>US>NonBrand>Exact
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so as there's clearly an appetite to retain the riding element let's hope that does the job then. As they weren't all rubbish... it clearly can stand up as a sport in a way that doesn't impact the horses negatively but only if the athletes have done their homework.
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there's another petition asking it to come under FEI rules and some other bits and bobs, which would be better IMO
edit, ah no, they're asking for changes to tack, regulation of whips/spurs and for a minimum competency.
well *I* think it ought to be under FEI rules, whatever the bad points that would bring some consistency.
edit, ah no, they're asking for changes to tack, regulation of whips/spurs and for a minimum competency.
well *I* think it ought to be under FEI rules, whatever the bad points that would bring some consistency.
No one is saying there are?
The top level of MP is never going to look as polished as the top level of the three main disciplines by a LONG way, and expecting it to is bonkers. So few of MP competitors are riders, some may only ride once a month - what they're asked to do is a huge ask on that basis. Some of those riders would never have sat on the level of horse Tokyo have produced - they all look like decent schoolmasters in their own right, hence milliepops' comment, and will react accordingly.
The top level of MP is never going to look as polished as the top level of the three main disciplines by a LONG way, and expecting it to is bonkers. So few of MP competitors are riders, some may only ride once a month - what they're asked to do is a huge ask on that basis. Some of those riders would never have sat on the level of horse Tokyo have produced - they all look like decent schoolmasters in their own right, hence milliepops' comment, and will react accordingly.