Toy Town / Toytown breeding. Anyone know? Also in CR

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Does anyone have any idea of Zara Phillips' horse's breeding? I need it for an article and I have tried all official sources (BE, NED, WBFSH lists etc) and none of them have it, although one web search did come up with 'belivied to be of Irish origin'. OTOH the IHB and ISHR have no record of any horse of that name either so I am a bit stumped!

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As B&J said - they don't know
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As far as I am aware he is of unknown breeding…I THINK that the Phillips’ have an idea of who his sire is but not verified and so not proven.
 
Thanks for that ...

OTHO, so OK, they (the present owners presumably) don't know but that should not be the only answer. Someone, somewhere bred him, registered him and then sold him on (presumably to be imported into the UK). Sadly the paper trail of this is non-existent ATM as he was given an ID-only passport before he became well known, perhaps becuase some dealer sometime didn't want a future owner to go back to his breeder 'to get another one like that' and so cut them out of the sale (I have seen it happen quite blatantly) so that dead end shouldn't really be one as he obviously had a previous history before he was first registered with BE.

This is SOOO frustrating <sigh>
 
i think alot of her home produced horses are of 'unknown or not recorded' parentage, which does make me wonder, and how come toytown n ardy look oddly alike, 'hmmmm'
 
Tell me about it!!!

I too have seen this done and it makes a mockery of the breeders who are working hard to improve the breed/sport and should have their contribution acknowledged. Maybe you should place a load of ads in Irish newspapers with the ‘Did you breed this horse?’ theme (just kidding as I know would be too expensive….)
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Tell me about it!!!

I too have seen this done and it makes a mockery of the breeders who are working hard to improve the breed/sport and should have their contribution acknowledged. Maybe you should place a load of ads in Irish newspapers with the ‘Did you breed this horse?’ theme (just kidding as I know would be too expensive….)
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I reckon you'd get half of Ireland claiming to have bred him
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and would you like to buy his full brother ... sister... Auntie... Uncle... Illegitimate son etc.....
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Any point in contacting Zara direct???

This sort of thing is exactly why the IHR and IHB have just produced a long report on improving the quality of breeding of ISH, and one of the things that the report says is that they need to improve the infrastructure and rationalise what is a fairly fragmented scene at the moment.

Good luck with your search - if you ever do track anything down, let us know!
 
is there any way you could do some sort of a DNA test and run it against different stud book registries and see if you get any hits??
 
A few years ago I read somewhere that he was supposed to be by Voltaire. However Zara had dismissed that, thinking that Voltaire was dead and couldn't have sired him. Sometimes they don't like to admit that they are warmblood.
 
Red Baron was also originally registered as unknown breeding by the Irish when he was evented over there. He has turned out to be by the Hanoverian stallion Medoc now standing in Lincolnshire and out of a Hanoverian cross mare called Lucinda II, reg HIS no 4759.
He is also very similar looking. I don't think Zara dislikes warmbloods in her horses as quite a few of her horses seems to be warmblood crosses.
 
You would think with such a high profile horse & rider that DNA would be worth while. I also think that it is a shame when this happens as the breeder, stallion, mare all get ignored & it makes it harder to work out what breeding programme works especially with eventing.
 
Ciss I find the whole DNA route frustrating..
When I was attempting to get some of my mares registered with Weatherbys I offered to pay for DNA matching myself, as I was damn certain of their breeding, the stud groom plus their breeder had both looked at pictures of the two sisters and agreed who they were. (both were sold at auction and one was described wrongly that's how certain they were).
W's refused and said the access to the database of DNA wasn't possible.
I've given up and am registering youngstock with their NTB register as our stallion is Inspected with them.
I really wish it were possible for ordinary owners to send a sample taken by their vet off to somewhere and get it matched for bloodlines.
Why is it so daft an idea?
 
HH would that not be great. I used to watch CSI & wonder why we could not do the same thing with horses. Have a record of every horses DNA on computer, oh well pie in the sky thought!
 
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