Trainer: not convinced!

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She told a puppy owner that it is definitively better to neuter a male dog because it means he will live up to 2.5 years longer than an unneutered dog! I'd love to see her breed specific studies. ;)

She also said when the dog consistently cocks the leg, it's the right time to neuter. I've heard this before but given my two at nearly 2 rarely cock and probably never will consistently, I'd be waiting forever! I'd prefer to wait til the dog was fully grown, regardless of when it was cocking.

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Does that mean my late, 15 and three quarter year old, epileptic, medicated Norwich Terrier would have lived to be almost 18 years old if neutered? Nor am I convinced.
 
Diesel was neutered when he was 18months old and being a fairly big breed I waited until he was practically fully mature. We had been talking about neutering him for some time but when he started cocking his leg in the house he went to the vets.

I see neutering as having several advantages, it stops them cocking their leg in the house and running off after bitches in season. Another bonus he will not be stolen to perpetuate some byb or puppy farmer cash crop although he might be difficult to steal being the breed he is. But I have heard of instances of pedigree entire dogs being stolen for this very reason whether its true or an urban myth Ive no idea.
 
i believe that my terrier will live longer if neutered as it will prevent him buggering off to see all the local girls ( who are actually his half sisters!!) via the main road!!!
Also how could you ever prove that theory???
 
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Maybe she meant if they don't get he cancers commonly associated with being entire then it will shorten their lives by that much....or maybe not, maybe it's just her belief:) or she maybe she meant he won't get killed running the steets for a bitch if you re uncapale of keeping him in (alot of folk are):p

She could maybe have given better reasons as to why neutering has huge benefits in male dogs, such as completely cutting out the risk of testicular cancer which to the untrained eye is very hard to spot and tends to have spread before it's detected.
Also massively reduces prostate and anal cancers (very painful conditions)

Also as a trainer she is sure to see other behaviours owners will more commonly struggle with such as those with less than capable handling skills trying to deal with a dog that has a tendancy to hump other dogs alot and inturn get other dogs backs up and get bitten or begin to fight in frustration/or the humping of humans:D or deal with dog aggression issues or heightened dominant tendancies, where castration can only help and not hinder the handler, esp where hormone is part of he issue.

Also DG's point of entires bing less likely to be returned by the unscrupulous if stolen or found whilst lost.

See she had loads of good reasons:p but maybe she still has a strong belief in her own.
All my neutered dogs have lived far longer than predicted in their breeds but then so do entire dogs if the cancer related conditions don't catch up with them first.

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It will aslo stop all he annoying pish stops on every post/blade of grass and object you pass and some entire dogs obsessions with other dogs scents.
And the pishy smell they always emite, esp the longer coated beasties that their owners become immune too.:p
I would also advise in regards to age and growth completion rather then the cocking of the leg stages.
 
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neutering actually doesn't decrease the risk of prostate cancer-neuter dogs are more prone to it! Entire dogs are more prone to benign prostatic hyperplasia. I'll give you testicular cancer however :P
 
IME I have seen more through our doors (at work) that are entire with prostate, but certainly others may have seen it commonly in neutered, infact 2 I groomed recently who are entire unfortunately have it.
So I will have to stick with I have see more entire dogs with prostate probelms.:p but indeed im not dominating the statistics with my experience of course. But I have to say it how I see it.:p
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I can go further as to say I also had a dog in boarding recently (bedlington terrier) with prostate issues too. (also entire) before I banned entire dogs from boarding due to their pishing habits. So thats 3 for me in the last 2 months without counting work.
 
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benign prostate hyperplasia is more comman in entires and more common than prostate cancer which is probably where you see more problems.-there have been large scale studies on it.
 
Im my case 2 where cancer and one a cyst/abcess. 9well not my case but theirs:D


Because testosterone encourages the prostate gland to increase in size and the production of fluid, the best treatment for most prostate problems is to neuter the intact male. Castration both prevents Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia from developing, and is also the way to cure it. Neutering dogs with prostatic cysts and inflammation of the prostate (Prostatitis) can be very beneficial as an effective treatment for the problem, as well as significantly reducing the chances of reoccurrence. Bacterial infections must be treated with a well-targeted approach of antibiotics, but once again neutering will help to prevent further infections by reducing the size of the prostate

Prostate cancer in dogs is most often found in dogs over 10 years old, and it can be difficult to diagnose. Almost all prostate cancers occur in male dogs that are unneutered, so the best prevention against prostate cancer is castration.

Cancer of the prostate is frequently inoperable, due to the location of the gland, and it’s proximity to many other important structures and nerves. Chemotherapy and radiation therapy are generally the only potential treatments, however neither of these shown to greatly increase the long-term survival of dogs with prostate cancer. Frequently prostate cancers are diagnosed late in the course of the disease, and by the time they are discovered they may have spread throughout the body to the lymph nodes, lungs, kidneys and other vital organs. Once the cancer has begun to spread from the prostate, there is no cure.

Prostate cancer in dogs, as well as most of the other common prostate problems in dogs all have one thing in common- they can all be prevented or greatly reduced in severity by having your male dog neutered., Given the advantages to having a neutered dog, the decision to have your dog neutered may be one of the most proactive things that can be done for his health and longevity.

Ok I am not posting the above as the final word or as statistical proof (I never really like googling words):o but it is practically the exact info our vets will mimic in regard to prostate cancers/other related prostate issues. And rather then me write in my language which will be less undersandable and more typos:p I tried to find the nearest to what we/our vets advise from work and the reasons.

And still I give advice as to what I see more of if asked, but obviously others will based on their experiences inc the trainer in the OP scenario.:)
 
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SusieT said:
question-don't trust the vet, don't trust the trainer-who do you trust?
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The other trainer didn't believe the OH when he said Zak watches TV and recognises cartoon dogs. I posted a YouTube link on here of Zak clearly reacting to Bolt this week. Sometimes, people say things that the owner can counter say from personal experience.
 
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