Trapping/Hunting poll

Trapping or Hunting poll

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How could a farmer know if the fox they had trapped was actually a problem fox, as opposed to another that had wandered into the trap?
 
Spudlet said:
How could a farmer know if the fox they had trapped was actually a problem fox, as opposed to another that had wandered into the trap?
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good point - classic use of scent hounds is to follow a fox back from the field where lambs have been killed so the right one is killed.

Also if a vixen does need to be killed and it has dependent cubs pretty much the only way to get to them is with terriers, otherwise they will starve to death in the earth.
 
Xlthlx said:
good point - classic use of scent hounds is to follow a fox back from the field where lambs have been killed so the right one is killed.

Also if a vixen does need to be killed and it has dependent cubs pretty much the only way to get to them is with terriers, otherwise they will starve to death in the earth.
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The hunts claim to only kill old or sick foxes as they cause the problems and it is good management. Thererfore the farmers would be payed for the humanely killed carcass of an old or sick fox.
 
So far the poll is showing that those who have voted against trapping wish to hunt for the sake of hunting and do not care about animal welfare. That is about as inhumane as it gets and I really am shocked. I really hope this isnt the true case because it means the seriously nutty anti's are actually right.
 
Paying to kill foxes is fine but how will it be managed? Most farmers/landowners/poachers etc would welcome the chance to be paid to catch an animal, so it would be possible to make an animal locally extinct within a very short space of time. Who would care if it is a problem/unhealthy/healthy fox when they have an extra wad of cash in their pocket.
I haven't voted as I feel neither scenario on its own is adequate control.
 
jrp204 said:
Paying to kill foxes is fine but how will it be managed? Most farmers/landowners/poachers etc would welcome the chance to be paid to catch an animal, so it would be possible to make an animal locally extinct within a very short space of time. Who would care if it is a problem/unhealthy/healthy fox when they have an extra wad of cash in their pocket.
I haven't voted as I feel neither scenario on its own is adequate control.
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Hi jrp. The only foxes that would be payed out are the old and sick that ther hunt claims to catch. To be honest I am so far shocked by the response. I have heard some pretty vocal stuff about those who hunt being bloodthirsty thugs who merely wish to ride around the countryside ripping apart foxes with their hounds. The hunt sabs go to some terrible lengths to stop hunters getting foxes based on that belief.
I never took that stance or believed it to be true. I honestly believed that given a workable, humane alternative we could all join forces and do good for both farmers and also the welfare of foxes. It appears so far I was wrong and I am speachless. This isnt about protecting livestock it really is just about dogs killing foxes in a pretty horrific way and people actually enjoying it.

jrp, I am in no way trying to draw you into this discussion just saying how I feel.
 
Kiribati_uk said:
Being trapped in a cage and left for days without water/food
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traps have to legally be checked every 24hrs
eek dam it - i've been trying soo hard not to reply to this thread again!! lol!

Kiribati_uk you wont change his views - he'll just have fun winding you up more i'm afriad. he likes the kill you see ;) lol
 
Badgers are protected and they die mysteriously on the roads quite a lot. Foxes have started appearing in similar places.

Hunting bizarrely tends to lead to more live foxes as farmers are more inclined to tolerate their presence if they can have fun chasing them occasionally...
 
Scratchline said:
I am confused now. The hunts claim they only catch and kill the old and sick as they are the problem???
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They don't claim that. That is what anti s claim they claim so they can argue against what they aren't actually saying.

What they claim is that hunting tends to favour strong animals because they are more likely to escape.
 
nothing mysterious about badgers being killed on roads, they get run over!! being virtually nocturnal they are usually knocked at night. same with foxes- nothing bizarre, your info. is clouded!
 
Scratchline: With all due respect, this poll is the most naive bit of nonsense I have ever seen.

Foxes kill lambs, chickens and other livestock and so farmers, or those employed by them, kill foxes.

They are not interested in trapping the sick and old and letting healthy foxes go free, to once again kill the stock that they earn their living from.

Please look at the real world of farming, the commercial world where every penny counts and every animal lost to predators is a threat the the commercial viability of that business.

As a second thought, what on earth would you expect the farmers to do with a bunch of old / sick / stupid foxes that they had trapped? Let them go again, to be re-trapped? I'm certain the farmers would sign up to that scheme.
 
NeilM said:
As a second thought, what on earth would you expect the farmers to do with a bunch of old / sick / stupid foxes that they had trapped? Let them go again, to be re-trapped? I'm certain the farmers would sign up to that scheme.
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Yees:D we would be delighted to play trapping:D After all we have absolutely nothing better to do in between the lambing, calving, feeding, diversifying and generally trying to keep our heads over poverty line:p;)
 
Martlin, you've not thought this scheme through, it could be a tidy earner.

Foxes are pretty bright, it won't take them long to figure that if they walk into a trap, they get a nice meal (the bait). You come along in the morning, register with DEFRA that you have trapped a fox and then let it go. Next night, smart foxy comes back for another free dinner, repeat.

You get your monthly cheque from DEFRA for the humane capture of foxes, foxy gets fed on a regular basis and the fluffys (or city dwellers as they prefer to be known), get to feel good about themselves and don't have to visit the nasty, smelly, muddy countryside anymore.
 
Are there any stats on the stress levels of foxes left in traps for 23 hours? Or indeed for any other length of time? I would dispute that trapping is humane at all. I would also ask the OP how he extracts the information that people who voted for hunting rather than trapping are therefore blood thirsty etc etc, perhaps he studied with Brian May, who he so obviously admires, as his level of arguement and evidence is about on a par. (That is not a compliment to the Op by the way :) )
 
posie_honey said:
yes there was a point ;) (oops sorry you edited out that bit didn't you?!)
i hate to see myths/misunderstanding being used as facts
have a good weekend scratchy - remember there is life beyond a forum ;)
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Oh you saw it lol lol I edited it out as after I posted I realised you were in fact replying to another poster ph, a post i hadnt seen at the time. nothing sinister.
 
Xlthlx said:
They don't claim that. That is what anti s claim they claim so they can argue against what they aren't actually saying.

What they claim is that hunting tends to favour strong animals because they are more likely to escape.
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Oh please Giles dont talk nonsense. You know full well that the hunters all over fb are claiming that they ONLY take out the sick and injured foxes. They use this excuse time after time after time. I know they are liars but I do not see you putting them straight ever!

They do not claim it 'tends', to favour the strong they state that they only catch the old and sick thus making the fox population all healthy.
 
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