Travellers have just moved near house....:(

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Just heard today that some travellers have moved in at the old campsite down by the river. river is 3 mins walk down the hill from my house. I walk the dog down there every morning and i'm now wanting to avoid that place as much as possible.

I dont wish to be prejudice but after watching the Dale farm senario you can hardly blame me, plus all the storys you hear about t hem, steeling, fly tipping, violence etc. (bearing in mind they have designated sites around this area for them already)

Anyone have travellers nearby...?
 
Yes, there are lots of travellers near me. My experience of them is I'm polite to them, they're polite to me. Some of them are friendly and helpful, some aren't. Just people really.

I've never had any problem with them.

I wouldn't keep my horse the same way as they keep theirs, but that's a matter of different cultural attitudes.

I'd try to remove the pre-conceived ideas you've seen in the media and give them a chance, if I was you.
 
Near Newark some one set their fighting dogs on some sheep. A few days before the owners had asked travellers to move off their land. Just awful. Five sheep died in the incident.
 
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Wagtail said:
Some people near Newark just had travellers set their fighting dogs their ten sheep. All because they asked them to move off their land. They awoke to find limbs strewn all over the field. Just awful.
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Yes, horrendous. But not really fair to assume all travellers are like that. Like I say, round here, the travellers never seem to cause any problems.
 
we have loads around where we are, i does depend on the families though some have horses others dont, some are curtious others will just walk on by, they wont cause a problem unless you make a problem i.e. they get defensive about leaving etc. be polite but dont make friends of them they are still people some worse then others but we dont talk to ours as they tend to be the ones that enter farms and steal tractors and we have 3 of them and they have nicked one of them before also they are scavengers for metal and stole a few gates but they all bring their horses back to a walk or halt with our horses all say thank you to traffic and dont thrash their ponies all the time and you can have a right ol' convosation with them but then one of the other families has gone into a fly tipping binge and we have had 14 in the last 2 weeks :o oh well will have to learn to live with them :o
 
Well, personally I would be concerned and I don't care about people who say you shouldn't tar them all with the same brush. Fine. I am sure SOME don't want trouble, don't steal, don't continually flout the law etc etc. However, when you have been a victim of their crimes on more than one occasion and have friends who have also been victims you start to lose any sort of compassion or understanding for them.

A load passed through leeds last year on tehir way to appleby, they camped up on a playing field for about a week (had that been you or me I think we'd have been moved off!). When they left the left so much litter, gas canistors and all kinds of cr*p. Why? Why are they allowed to get away with that?? Two tyoung lads also walked passed my house one very rainy morning leading a poor scrap of a coloured youngster, this was about 10am and the two lads were drinking - god knows where they were going with this little animal. I went out to find them but couldn't trace them anywhere.

I am sorry, they get away with far too much - theft, animal abuse, no car tax etc etc. I get pretty p*ssed off with them to be honest.
 
We have several travellers around here.
I fell in with them some years ago when the 'chief' had a foal that wouldn't suckle. I sorted that out and then the following year foaled a mare for him when the vet couldn't get there.

We never had a thing stollen from the place and when two young lads did attempt a break in the chief came around to ask about it and I then heard that it had been 'sorted'

I had an attempted break in just before Christmas last year. It had to be someone who knew the layout because they came in across the fields.
About two months before this event the chief's son had been down here to pick up some scrap - I reported this fact to the chief and again things were 'sorted'

I have heard many tales, they do not usually **** on their own dooor step but tell others about what is where.

A friends coloured cob was stollen from her field. They rode her bareback at night some 20 miles - only by getting the help of the local travellers did they find out where she was and by paying someone to take her and tether her away from the site did they get her back. The police didn't want to know saying that there was no way to recognise a coloured cob! This was despite pictures, a passport showing a distinctive scar!

I am always polite to them but trust them as far as I can spit into a gale force wind!
 
ladyt25 said:
However, when you have been a victim of their crimes on more than one occasion and have friends who have also been victims you start to lose any sort of compassion or understanding for them.
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I have been a victim of crime several times in my life, but the perpetrators have never been the travellers. I have not lost compassion or understanding for anyone, let alone a whole section of society.

I'm going to leave this thread, as I truly hate prejudism, racism and bigotry and I can see this is a subject which could bring out all those attitudes. It will only make me cross if I read such posts.

OP, I hope you overcome your fears and face the arrival of these people with an open mind. I'm off now. :)
 
omg im terrified now. there are some travellers in designated areas near where the pony is kept and we have never had any problems with them so far as i know. Few kids once chucked stones at the car but after a firm shouting at they havent done it since. But im terrified about the pony getting stolen, its my worst nightmare, even though its a large yard with 60+ horses and YO lives onsite.

But i am not happy at them moving next to an estate full of kids playing in the play park next to site and also a lot of dog walkers, and the security of the house..... :(
plus my house backs onto the field in which the travellers are just at the bottom of.... ahhhh!
 
Appleby is in Cumbria so yes!But never heard of anyone having any problems with them. I think there is a lot of prejudice towards them. Like every other race of people there are good and bad.The worst people to horse I have seen have been people who are supposed to be professionals!

I hate this stereotyping of people.

FDC
 
A couple of days ago some travellers were shouting out from their tipper whilst I was on front drive at me asking if I had any scrap metal. I said no but they were really leering and having a right old nosey down the drive! Been on guard ever since!!
 
I am wary of them, but if they don't pay attention to me, I won't pay attention to them.
They did steal a caravan from one of my YO's fields once, but they left all the horses and even locked the gate again afterwards!! They may have been thieves, but clearly not heartless.

For the most part, I think they're misunderstood, but of course, you do get some that makes the bad stereotype stick.
 
We often get travellers camping on the industrial estate where I work. Never had any trouble with them but when they move on they leave rubbish everywhere. All sorts of stuff lying all over the place. Find this really annoying but apart from that it doesn't bother me.
 
I am not prejudice, I do not like to tar people with the same brush but my friend's neice's pony was stolen by travellers (the guy was seen riding it bareback at some godforsaken hour along the high street). So a young kid is left distraught - how is that right or justifed? The pony was never traced. I have seen with my own eyes the mess that has been left from a camp as they move through an area - why? Why can't they take it to a tip or even put things in a bin? Why do others constantly have to clear up after them?

It's not right for anyone to do that surely?

We have been threatened by travellers before after my dad DID give them the benefit of doubt and gave them some work - which they didn't do - then they demanded money. We have had our stables broken into on numerous occasions and there is a permanent camp not far from us that people have SEEN their stolen goods in yet the police do nothing. How is that right? Who ends up then having to foot the bill - oh, that'll be the law abiding, tax-paying citizen then I guess eh!

Sorry, I am perfectly aware there will be some genuine travellers - and I know of some who pass through our village on the way to appleby every year, in proper traditional caravans, their horses in great condition. They somehow manage to clear up after themselves too!
 
Annielusian said:
I am wary of them, but if they don't pay attention to me, I won't pay attention to them.
They did steal a caravan from one of my YO's fields once, but they left all the horses and even locked the gate again afterwards!! They may have been thieves, but clearly not heartless.

For the most part, I think they're misunderstood.
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ah, i get you. they're misunderstood because when they steal something at least they have the courtesy to shut the gate behind them.

seems perfectly fair.

one of the reasons people dont warm to travellers is they scream 'racism' when they try to pull a fast one by applying for retrospective planning permission and councils turn round and tell them they have to live by the same laws everyone else does.

anyway, thats off topic.. i dont blame OP for being worried frankly but i still go on a judge for yourself principle and i treat people as i find them. just try not to p*** any of them off!
 
EmmaC78 said:
We often get travellers camping on the industrial estate where I work. Never had any trouble with them but when they move on they leave rubbish everywhere. All sorts of stuff lying all over the place. Find this really annoying but apart from that it doesn't bother me.
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By why should that be allowed and almost accepted? At the end of the day the taxpayer has to foot that bill then. Those who 'travel' do not pay tax.
 
There are a lot of travellers near where I live, they don't have a good reputation but I moved here determined not to be judgemental and give everyone a chance. I have had nothing but poor experience with them.

Two boys from the site who go to the school down the road were in my front garden EVERY DAY after school messing around in my pond and when we put a fence up (not specifically to stop them - house was a project and this was one of the jobs that needed doing) they jumped over the fence whilst their mother stood outside screaming swear words at them. They also threw stones in the pond, and caught and tortured frogs.

We had a number tools go missing from the house before I moved in and whilst we were working on making it habitable.

In the last TWO WEEKS I have had three seperate break -ins to my garden, all in broad daylight whilst I was in the house. I have had three chickens stolen including a broody who was sitting on her eggs. Eggs went too. I have lost chicken feed which was stored by the chicken run and my fencing has been damaged. After I took precautions and moved the feed they went looking for it (couldn't get into the garage HA HA as I'd put an alarmed padlock on it) but they found half a mouldy old bag of shavings in the lean-to and took that. WTF - it is like they are just taking any vaguely poultry related stuff just for the sake of it.

I've got clear foot prints in the mud - you can even make out what size the shoes are. Also mud all over the gate where they climbed over. Police can't do anything though except suggest further (expensive) security messures. CCTV kit to protect 4 pekin hens worth around £15 each max is what they are suggesting, bloody outrageous. in addition to having to 'mark' the birds with sheep spray, buy expensive padlocks, fit stuff to the top of the gates, fix the gates etc etc. And they just keep coming back.

And yes, the police have admitted it almost certainly people from the site. They are really into poultry.

In addition have seen the local kids from the site (age approx 10) in the local park hitting and kicking at toddlers that come near them whilst mother just sat and watched.

Sorry, I am very negative about the travellers we have around here now.
 
My friend has had some very expensive fly & winter rugs stolen of her horses backs in the field & they've left fully clipped horses naked in below zero.temps. How we know its them? Said rugs complete with postcode down the side found on travellers ponies a few miles away. Police won't enter their site! Mini padlocking rugs on seems to be current tactic!
 
We had travellers in our neck of the woods, I don't think all travellers are out to cause trouble and steel but some do cause problems. The landowner ended up instructing bailiffs to come in and move them on. It was nothing like the dale farm incident it was all very amicable, from what I know they issued them with a notice and they moved on two days later! Although there was a fair bit of mess left once they up and moved.
 
lula said:
ah, i get you. they're misunderstood because when they steal something at least they have the courtesy to shut the gate behind them.

seems perfectly fair.
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That's not what I said. I explained a situation we'd had with them and that they were at least good enough to close gate, which does in fact lead onto a road. What's a caravan compared to still having all your horses safe?

THEN I said for the most part, they are misunderstood. There's some others close by and they keep themselves to themselves and apart from one pony tied to the side of the road for a night, they haven't been a bother.
I then said there are people who keep bad stereotypes firmly in place, so to be nice, but keep an eye out.
 
Have you any idea how prejudiced some of you sound?

Try replacing the word "travellers" with "Pakistanis" or even "people who live in semi-detached houses" and see whether what you're saying seems fair.

"Traveller" describes a way of life. There are good, decent travellers and badly-behaved dishonest travellers. Stereotyping and whipping up fear makes us all look pretty silly.

OP if you're terrified of having your pony stolen, I guess you've got him/her freeze marked and have decent security? Ponies do sometimes get stolen (not necessarily by travellers!) so it's a good idea to take such measures.
 
one of the reasons people dont warm to travellers is they scream 'racism' when they try to pull a fast one by applying for retrospective planning permission and councils turn round and tell them they have to live by the same laws everyone else does.

This is spot on!!!
 
sarahw123 said:
one of the reasons people dont warm to travellers is they scream 'racism' when they try to pull a fast one by applying for retrospective planning permission and councils turn round and tell them they have to live by the same laws everyone else does.

This is spot on!!!
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It suits the majority of travellers to keep the status quo and to keep it insulor (sp?) Handwringers who insist on seeing goog in everyone don't help.
 
We are surrounded by them :( five camps within a mile of my house! Only one has permission to be there;

I could spend all day telling you of the stories but you can look for yourselves if you google travellers and Market Harborough Mail! Murderes, money laundering, car thefts, raids where police found millions stashed under caravans etc etc. Sorry but to me and the value of my property that we can't sell, they are "bad"

I think my village is the only one in the country that's school is soley for "travellers children"
 
Horsesgalore said:
Have you any idea how prejudiced some of you sound?

Try replacing the word "travellers" with "Pakistanis" or even "people who live in semi-detached houses" and see whether what you're saying seems fair.

"Traveller" describes a way of life. There are good, decent travellers and badly-behaved dishonest travellers. Stereotyping and whipping up fear makes us all look pretty silly.

OP if you're terrified of having your pony stolen, I guess you've got him/her freeze marked and have decent security? Ponies do sometimes get stolen (not necessarily by travellers!) so it's a good idea to take such measures.
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I have known, and still know, lots of travellers that I trust totally. I also know that if my horses went missing that they would do their utmost to find them for me.

Talk about 'give a dog a bad name...'
 
Horsesgalore said:
Have you any idea how prejudiced some of you sound?

Try replacing the word "travellers" with "Pakistanis" or even "people who live in semi-detached houses" and see whether what you're saying seems fair.

"Traveller" describes a way of life. There are good, decent travellers and badly-behaved dishonest travellers. Stereotyping and whipping up fear makes us all look pretty silly.

OP if you're terrified of having your pony stolen, I guess you've got him/her freeze marked and have decent security? Ponies do sometimes get stolen (not necessarily by travellers!) so it's a good idea to take such measures.
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Traveler does discribe a way of life
romany gypsy discribes another do not mistake one for the other :D
 
Our town has tons of them. The only problem we've had is the constant entering my garden looking for scrap (they know my oh is a plumber) & if they see anything they will take It (we never leave scrap out btw!!) . This week I've caught 2 trying to nick a burn bin we've been using. They stole a big chain we used to chain motorbikes up with (they bolt cropped it) & even my sons basketball post/net. A few months ago I heard them smashing next doors back fence up & caught them stealing an old fridge he used to store things in outside. Called police but they never got done for it.

I don't mind the old travelller that comes around every week shouting for old scrap, but the 10 ish vans that lurk on the estate every day just stealing things really p**s me off.
 
tinap555 said:
Our town has tons of them. The only problem we've had is the constant entering my garden looking for scrap (they know my oh is a plumber) & if they see anything they will take It (we never leave scrap out btw!!) . This week I've caught 2 trying to nick a burn bin we've been using. They stole a big chain we used to chain motorbikes up with (they bolt cropped it) & even my sons basketball post/net. A few months ago I heard them smashing next doors back fence up & caught them stealing an old fridge he used to store things in outside. Called police but they never got done for it.

I don't mind the old travelller that comes around every week shouting for old scrap, but the 10 ish vans that lurk on the estate every day just stealing things really p**s me off.
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hopfully the goverment will do what they are talkling about and stop scrap merchants paying out in cash this will greatly reduse theft of metal ,howerver im sure the scum will find some other antisosial activity to maintain there lifestyle...
 
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