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Don't watch TV so not watching it - but experience tells me never to wholeheartedly trust a vet, unless you are sure they have the animals best interests (not the maximum insurance claim!) at heart
 
I thought the bit about cats having tumours on the pituitary gland being linked to household chemicals and then also linking it to an increase in the same condition in humans quite interesting, basically the chemicals used for fire proofing furniture could be causing this condition which is quite scary really, I never watched the rest of it so maybe I caught one good bit in the whole programme!
 
Pinkvboots said:
I thought the bit about cats having tumours on the pituitary gland being linked to household chemicals and then also linking it to an increase in the same condition in humans quite interesting, basically the chemicals used for fire proofing furniture could be causing this condition which is quite scary really, I never watched the rest of it so maybe I caught one good bit in the whole programme!
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That and the teeth bit was the only thing I caught, can you remember where the research was done as regards the above.

Incidentally who here cleans their dogs teeth?
 
I certainly don't clean my dogs teeth as there's no need for me- he gets bones to gnaw on and I check his teeth when I groom him. It annoyed me that in the bit talking about teeth they showed dogs chewing bones but then made no mention of it later and it wasn't even tested. Guess the product placement of Pedigree food and chews put paid to any mention of raw food.
 
well, it was very dumbed down but dont forget, lots of people will have never have considered their dogs dental health (until too late) and just trust that pet food is good because it says so on the bag. I expect vets wont advocate giving bones on the TV.

I dont know much about reptiles so found that quite interesting
 
Dobiegirl said:
That and the teeth bit was the only thing I caught, can you remember where the research was done as regards the above.

Incidentally who here cleans their dogs teeth?
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I think it was the RVC

I don't clean my dogs teeth she gets bones and chews though I was under the impression that did the job.
 
Never cleaned a dog's teeth.
My dog is 6.5 and his are still clean and pointy despite years of chomping lol. A lot of dental issues are genetic/breed specific. A popular dog in Germany who is two years younger than mine has had to have his canines capped already and I see a few with worn teeth.
 
A hugh amount of dental issues are genetic or situational.

If you have a dog who uses their teeth as they are supposed to...ie gnawing slashing and chewing food instead of just gulping down and swallowing you will rarely see dental disease.The tartar and plaque simply doesnt get as much of a chance to build up and irritate the gumline causing the ginigivitis and gum disease that affects the tooth root and causes tooth loss.

Small dogs..the poodles yorkie etc have got tiny jawlines with normal sized teeth so when gingivitis occurs it affects the roots much quicker then in say a staffy as the socket down to the peridontal ligaments are very small.
The smaller breeds also seem to be less likely to be given chew toys and bones as well for some reason so its multifactorial.

Greyhounds are a bit different and I've hypothesised its seem to be a mix of genetics,nutrition in early race training and a lack of chewing etc from a young age.

Genetics are funny though.
Fun fact if the day its very rare for any dog to get a dental cavity like humans....except in rottweilers for some reason.

We advise bone all the time where I work! With the obvious advise of choosing appropriate sized ones for each dogs and supervise so they dont choke as they get towards the end,but which tbh can happen with anything but bones are a bit overrepresented...esp westies and chicken wings for some reason!

Ps havent seen the show! Its the sort of title makes me a bit edgy of what will be there.
What was it actually about? General animal health? Common conditions?
 
Mine get their teeth brushed daily. :o Used to feed a lot of recreational bones which cleaned them for me but stopped when stoopid white dog fractured a tooth. There are risks to feeding bones which are probably beyond the remit of a fairly simplistic half hour show.

Dental disease is very common, miserable for the dog, a contributing factor to lots of other health issues and is not recognised as a problem by a significant number of owners. 'Dog breath' is not normal!
 
I brush my Pomeranian's teeth, simply because tiny dogs so often develop problems with their teeth.
He's 5 years old now and his teeth are still shiny and white.
Our border collie Pippa was 16 when she was pts and her teeth were never brushed, but still very white to the very end!
So I would brush the teeth of little dogs, but larger breeds don't seem to have that problem.
 
Aru said:
Ps havent seen the show! Its the sort of title makes me a bit edgy of what will be there.
What was it actually about? General animal health? Common conditions?
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yes, with Steve Leonard presenting (would do a rolls eyes smilie if I could lol). It was ok, very simplistic-but then a lot of pet owners probably need that.
 
Thanks! I guess more awareness of the common issues can only be a good thing though?
It sometimes worrys me about how little people understand of how bodies(animals and our own!) work and tick.
Half tempted to watch it now!
 
Aru said:
Greyhounds are a bit different and I've hypothesised its seem to be a mix of genetics,nutrition in early race training and a lack of chewing etc from a young age
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I would be really interested to find out what the problem is with greyhounds - it is their only down-side! I have tried raw feeding and bones, cleaning teeth daily - nothing seems to work, the bad ones have bad teeth and the good ones don't regardless of what I do :( :(
 
A frend of mine who used to have racing greyhounds hypothesises that as their lips are close in around their teeth, due the their head shape, saliva does not sloosh around the back teeth as well in say, a labrador.
 
blackcob said:
Dental disease is very common, miserable for the dog, a contributing factor to lots of other health issues and is not recognised as a problem by a significant number of owners. 'Dog breath' is not normal!
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I have a bitch with fishy breath. She's had this odd fishy fragrance since the day I got her at 8 weeks old. She's ten years old now.
 
I clean my greyhounds teeth and give her dental chews. I don't give her bones, every time I've given her a bone she has vomited bits of bone 24 hours later.

She's just had a dental and had one tooth removed, which was loose rather than anything else.
 
Clodagh said:
A frend of mine who used to have racing greyhounds hypothesises that as their lips are close in around their teeth, due the their head shape, saliva does not sloosh around the back teeth as well in say, a labrador.
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CorvusCorax said:
Is it not similar to say...the lines of racehorses with bad feet? It's just in the genes?
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I think I will go for your logic CC, because I am at a loss to suggest anything else? the 2 who have raced have no teeth and 2 teeth respectively, the one who never raced has had 3 out (I think) at the age of 10. Maybe it is the racing diet as well, but this would also support the theory that successful greyhound lines have bad teeth!
 
Sarah_K said:
I certainly don't clean my dogs teeth as there's no need for me- he gets bones to gnaw on and I check his teeth when I groom him. It annoyed me that in the bit talking about teeth they showed dogs chewing bones but then made no mention of it later and it wasn't even tested. Guess the product placement of Pedigree food and chews put paid to any mention of raw food.
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Apparently they are covering raw food next week, and all I've heard is that they are highlighting the dangers !! Will be interesting to watch as I feed all 3 of my dogs a raw diet.
 
lizziebell said:
Agreed, but I have a feeling this may not be balanced alongside the benefits of RAW feeding..... I may be wrong, but going from the contents of the first program I have my doubts.
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probably not-I doubt they are going to list the risks of feeding the likes of Bakers (mores the pity) either! probably best not to watch ;)
 
Who watched about raw feeding then?
I don't feed raw and never will so was quite happy that they didn't like it. Lots of bacteria and an unnecessary fad!
Wow! Lots of you will disagree. Nothing about the bad kibble like Bakers though or help with which food is good.
 
I didnt, I saw some of the comments on FB though. I do wonder though, if you have no intention of feeding it, why you feel it necessary to denounce it as an unnecessary fad though :p

I've fed both, I will continue to feed both-with good food hygiene practise. I've done bacteriological testing on kibble that got me slapped with potential legal action in 2001-research I was not allowed to publish. There's bacteria everywhere and kibble processing does not allow for the kind of conditions that kills off the real nasties. There's a small risk of kibble killing your dog or cat, there's a small risk of RAW doing the same thing-be aware of the risks and make up your own mind.
 
MotherOfChickens said:
I didnt, I saw some of the comments on FB though. I do wonder though, if you have no intention of feeding it, why you feel it necessary to denounce it as an unnecessary fad though :p

I've fed both, I will continue to feed both-with good food hygiene practise. I've done bacteriological testing on kibble that got me slapped with potential legal action in 2001-research I was not allowed to publish. There's bacteria everywhere and kibble processing does not allow for the kind of conditions that kills off the real nasties. There's a small risk of kibble killing your dog or cat, there's a small risk of RAW doing the same thing-be aware of the risks and make up your own mind.
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I apologise for the overuse of the word 'though'. not had breakfast yet..
 
Hey MOC, I did not denounce it. As you said, I have not tried it, not because I don't think it is good but because it doesn't suit me to and my dog are healthy on what I prefer to feed.
I was quoting the programme with those words, sorry I didn't put them in inverted commas!
 
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