Two Socks PTS

If this is the one that was on FHOTD - well thank christ for that!

I can't imagine the suffering that animal went through.
 
Jesus.

Idiots - not only to let him deteriorate so badly that he lost one hoof, they let him drag on until he lost another. What a horrible last few days he must have had.

Thank God he is out of his misery now.
 
thank GOD for that.
the poor poor horse. the state it was in in that picture (body condition, quite apart from the fact that it was missing a hoof and standing there on it, which i consider to be, absolutely seriously, the most appalling act of cruelty i have seen in my entire life)
it looked in good condition when it arrived. what in hell's name happened to it?
if you are anything to do with the organisation that 'saved' it, please, for the love of God and horses, get a vet who will do what is best for the horses, immediately, to advise you.
 
I cannot tell you how relieved I am to hear that, thanks for posting
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I am in no way saying that she was right NOT to have him pts as TBH thats what I have done. I am nosey and like to find out more and if you follow some of the links you get a bigger picture.
He was under vet treatment and the vet had told her it was not uncommon to lose a hoof. She had one on her farm previously that lost a hoof and that one is fine. She never expected him to lose another, and when he did she had him pts and then it was investigated as she did not believe the previous owner had told her the whole truth.
It was discovered that he had severe nerve damage and he was unlikely to have actually felt anything at all. Something bad had happened to him prior to her having him.

I in no way condone what she did, but I think we should look at both sides before we tar and feather her!
 
I haven't heard about that story before. Poor, poor thing. Why couldn't they PTS earlier, and save the horse from suffering anymore??
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Plus, has anyone watched that video?? The vet says 'Loosing a hoof is not uncommon' ?!?! Am I totally blind or something?? I have yet to see a horse's hoof just fall off
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i've just followed the link off the site, and read this:
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We wanted to make sure that the rescue’s story checked out. So we asked the premiere expert in horse care, the director of the large animal program at Virginia Tech’s vet school.
Dr. David Hodgson tells me a horse losing a hoof is not uncommon. He says it’s like a person loosing a fingernail."

Well, obviously my 35 years around horses have been very sheltered, because i have NEVER EVER heard of a horse losing the entire hoof capsule and exposing the bones of the foot. has anyone? seriously? i'm not a vet, can any vets please tell me whether this really is "not uncommon"??
like losing a fingernail? jesus christ. more like losing all the skin from your ankle downwards.
it says on the link that during the autopsy on the horse, they discovered that a nerve was scarred as if it had been severed...
maybe denerved? or accidental? might explain why the horse allegedly wasn't showing any pain, was weightbearing on the bones of the foot.
r.i.p. poor Two Socks.
 
The chap who owns our local feed store had a horse that basically lost both front hooves. I'm sure he called it sloughing? Poor horse had about 18 months box rest in total I believe, sorry, don't know about the ins and outs of it really and it was a few years ago, although I do remember seeing photos at the time. But this is the only case I have ever heard of.
 
horses do loose their hooves occasionally, it is not common horses can regrow hooves. (it has been done in the uk on occasion at one of the vet schools I think)

in order for a horse to regrow its hoof one would imagine it would be better for it to be supported (in a sling) and would be needing correct nutritional management. This horse was 25 and very under weight.

He arrived at the facility with a history of foot problems but in good condition.

There were discussions on that horseshoes forum and another farriery type one analysing the pictures about the bones that two sox was displaying and there seemed to be the loss of or deterioration of one of the tendons too.

Interesting to hear possible nerve damage kerilli which would explain how it made it out to pasture

My reaction to this story if said horse was not 25, severely underweight and being kept out at pasture walking on a non existant stump.
 
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I am in no way saying that she was right NOT to have him pts as TBH thats what I have done. I am nosey and like to find out more and if you follow some of the links you get a bigger picture.
He was under vet treatment and the vet had told her it was not uncommon to lose a hoof. She had one on her farm previously that lost a hoof and that one is fine. She never expected him to lose another, and when he did she had him pts and then it was investigated as she did not believe the previous owner had told her the whole truth.
It was discovered that he had severe nerve damage and he was unlikely to have actually felt anything at all. Something bad had happened to him prior to her having him.

I in no way condone what she did, but I think we should look at both sides before we tar and feather her!

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How very convenient that all sounds. It sounds like she is better at writing stories on the internet than looking after her horses. "Something bad had happend to him prior to her having him" - well, yes, that was presumably why he ended up in a rescue centre. But the issue is not just the hoof, it is that an old pony went in there looking grand and a few months later deteriorated to a walking skeleton with a sloughed off hoof. Which was not given proper veterinary treatment. And strangely too, someone dated the photos on her site and several horses have gone in looking fine and a few months later have become skeletal. So what exactly is she doing to them? At best this woman is dangerously ignorant, at worst, evil. Her stupidity is evidenced by her not having an elderly pony in appalling condition which has lost a hoof put down. It is her responsibility for the animals in her care and I find it telling that she has tried to dodge this by laying the blame on the previous owner, when it is she that runs the rescue. No doubt this poor animals has been a huge headline grabber for her dubious "rescue centre" though.
 
Any info about Two Socks seems to have vanished from the website!
Headless_Horsewoman-I have tried to find the pics where he arrived but the links are 'oddly' broken!
Maybe she is hiding something after all....
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A couple of years ago I found a whole hoof .. I always wondered what had happened to the horse .. I didn't know they could loose a whole hoof !
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ester-dear God!
I just found another link where she actually put him up for adoptions with a fee of $150.
The other info says....wait for it....HE HAS NO TEETH!
So, 25 years old, no hoof no teeth....NO BRAINER!!
Did anyone else notice on his leg the white scarring??? Could this be the result of some form of 'treatment'???
 
yes I knew he had very few teeth, old horses can be kept healthy enough with few teeth without other complications, like trying to regrow a hoof.

but this guy looks like he had given up long before his rescuers did, I think it has been suggested that the sloughing was caused by numerous abcesses, whatever caused it I think it is reasonable to suggest he was in pain before he lost both hooves.

I actually find it really bad the the rescuers are insisting that they were not bowing to the pressure that they were put under and that he was only PTS when his other hoof fell off. (although the farrier had suspected this would happen all along)
 
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thank GOD for that.
the poor poor horse. the state it was in in that picture (body condition, quite apart from the fact that it was missing a hoof and standing there on it, which i consider to be, absolutely seriously, the most appalling act of cruelty i have seen in my entire life)
it looked in good condition when it arrived. what in hell's name happened to it?
if you are anything to do with the organisation that 'saved' it, please, for the love of God and horses, get a vet who will do what is best for the horses, immediately, to advise you.

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Me? Good God, no!
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It was something I came across on another board and posted on here. Had he been my horse, he would have been PTS as soon as I could get the vet out.

Here's the thread I found.
 
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i've just followed the link off the site, and read this:
"
We wanted to make sure that the rescue’s story checked out. So we asked the premiere expert in horse care, the director of the large animal program at Virginia Tech’s vet school.
Dr. David Hodgson tells me a horse losing a hoof is not uncommon. He says it’s like a person loosing a fingernail."

Well, obviously my 35 years around horses have been very sheltered, because i have NEVER EVER heard of a horse losing the entire hoof capsule and exposing the bones of the foot. has anyone? seriously? i'm not a vet, can any vets please tell me whether this really is "not uncommon"??
like losing a fingernail? jesus christ. more like losing all the skin from your ankle downwards.
it says on the link that during the autopsy on the horse, they discovered that a nerve was scarred as if it had been severed...
maybe denerved? or accidental? might explain why the horse allegedly wasn't showing any pain, was weightbearing on the bones of the foot.
r.i.p. poor Two Socks.

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If you read the other thread here, you'll see that the vet was making an analogy and his words were taken hugely out of context.

Quoted from the above thread-

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Thanks for contacting me. I believe I have been quoted out of context,
although I have not heard the quote. Such outcomes are, in my experience,
common in these situations when folks search for small, specific quotes to
add to a story. Yes I did mentionloss of a fingernail. Of course a horse
losing a hoof is potentially far more catastrophic than a human losing a
fingernail. However, the principle of the disease process is the same -
breakdown of the laminae between the supporting & keratinized tissues. That
was the point I made, nothing more. Of course given the critical weight
bearing nature of the hoof in the horse such a delamination in this species
has far more deleterious & life threatening effects. Losing a fingernail is
usually no more than a temporary inconvenience.

I trust you were also informed of the great support I afforded your program
& the excellent job I believe you do to support our equine companions. In
addition, I also provided my endorsement of your decision to euthanize 'Two
Socks' given the irreparable nature of the problem.

I hope this provides some clarification to the matter. Indeed I believe I
defended your position (strongly) particularly given the number of comments
I had received following your posting of the graphic pictures of Two Socks'
affected foot on the web. An extremely prominent member of the horse
industry called me just this afternoon after his wife saw the pictures
asking whether I knew if the horse had been put down? They had a horse with
a similar problem a few years ago & believed the process resulted in
unrelenting pain for their horse & therefore elected euthanazia.

So, in summary I believe you had (have) nothing but the best interests of
the horses under your care at heart. I too honor the welfare of the horse
and my comments today were supportive of your great contributions to this
ideal. Again, in my opinion euthanazia was the only reasonable opion for
'Two Socks'.

The fingernail issue was but a small portion of my comments designed to
provide some form of restricted analogy to a person with limited
understanding of equine anatomy & function.[/quote
 
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sorry, meandmyself, the way you worded the initial post made me think you might have something to do with it. apologies.
thank you for letting us all know that he's out of his misery now.

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No problem. I did mean to post the link to the other thread, but had to dash off to answer the phone. It was too late to edit by the time I got back.
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