Tying issues - blocker tie ring/ rubber leads?

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Any thoughts on either?

Have a mare who is a brat to get to stand still and be groomed/feet done etc its simply a case of 'don't want to' rather than not knowing whats expected. She has hay, can see her friends grazing calmly about 50 yards away etc but isn't impressed by the whole thing.

She has this trick where she takes a couple of sudden 'looks' i.e. jerks to one side and or the other and pulls the lead through either enough to wander off or to get her leg over and panic and then has an excuse to be a prat. If you quick release knot she undoes it, equi pings she just pings lol

So had seen a rubber tie lead which is supposed to just stretch - anyone used these before? Any idea how safe they are for a nutter? I like the blocker tie ring but don't want her to be like well if i pull back it goes slack and I can wander off. rather than learning sometimes she just has to stand still!

http://www.fieldguard.com/rubber_ties_rubber_leads.html
 
Only trouble with the bungies is if it releases its going to take her eye out surely?

How would I do that Goldenstar? Sorry not the most practical minded
 
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Leather headcollar only and tie straight to the solid wall so no give at all.
Do use a quick release knot but let her learn that if it's tied she can't get loose no matter how she tries.
If all horses were taught to tie the proper way from the beginning you wouldn't get them starting bad habits like this.

ETA when first teaching tying up, just loop the rope through the ring and hold the end while doing your jobs (picking feet, grooming etc) and let it play through the ring a little if they pull back then make them stand up again until they're good enough to tie.
 
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You put it through the ring and then thread the end through so it's attached then it forms a big loop the lead rope can them be clipped to it at the other end think it would need a biggish clip .
And then you leave them to it , (clearly not completely ).
It's difficult thing to solve I have never tried the inner tube thing just filed it in the things to solve problem area of my brain.
I know a friends horse broke a field guard rubber tie when it got a shock in the lorry but nothing awful happened it snapped without any damage to the horse .
One yard I was on had a mule headcollar which had a wide collar that went over the neck about eight inches behind the head piece it then tapered through the ring of the headcollar and then the two sides met at a ring that you tied to .
When the horse pulled back the neck got pulled , it worked well on the horses I saw it on .
I have seen the old dealers way of chaining to a post or wall done ,leaving the horse to fight it out it's just very frightening to watch and dangerous for the horse .
 
I'm currently doing clicker training with mine for tying up and then having his legs handled. He's got the hang of it really quickly. He has a very low boredom threshold!
 
The method I was taught many years ago was to clip a lunge one to the head collar and pass it through the tie ring. The handler hold the lunge line whilst grooming, etc. the hirse can move around but not get free. They should soon learn.
 
Patience. Tie ring. Pressure/ rope halter, lunge line.

So slide lunge through tie ring you one end horse the other ;)

Let her do her thing and pressure on the line only get her to walk back to where she started. She will try a good few times but will soon tire, does take a while though. No reaction from you she has to,start afresh every time. Does that make sense.

My mare was awful she broke the twine with mini rears. But this taught her that it gets her no where and no further attention is given.
 
Have done the above Toffee - and she's fine whilst u stand and do that - but if you go to get a hoof pick or do her feet she starts the head tugging thing grr. Then it means going back and standing etc and whilst I'm all for the slow patient way this has been going on a while and I don't always have an hr to pick her feet out!

The link to that other tie is a take off from the blocker tie ring, same concept in that they can still pull back without being able to wander off - issue with this with her is she will make a game of pulling back to get the length of rope then will end up standing on it cue massive paddy/leg over it = paddy etc

The only issue with the field guard ones is that it doesn't have the panic snap on one end like the bungee ones do - I wonder if I clipped that end to halved baler band if it would solve it - as no pulling back as no rope to pull through but if properly freaking can get away without taking the front off the shelter...!
 
Toffee44 said:
Patience. Tie ring. Pressure/ rope halter, lunge line.

So slide lunge through tie ring you one end horse the other ;)

Let her do her thing and pressure on the line only get her to walk back to where she started. She will try a good few times but will soon tire, does take a while though. No reaction from you she has to,start afresh every time. Does that make sense.

My mare was awful she broke the twine with mini rears. But this taught her that it gets her no where and no further attention is given.
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This ^
My horse was the same - would just yank hard when he no longer wanted to be tied - a rope halter gives that instant pressure/release. He doesn't bother trying now. Don't leave horse tied up alone in a rope halter though. Also if she undoes rope, use a long lead rope and tie with lots of slip loops, gives them something to play with but is difficult to untie by themselves.
 
Jason Webb demonstrating something at YourHorseLive to help teach them to tie up and stand. Not sure what it was called but looked good. May be worth trying his website or contacting him.
 
TigerTail said:
Have done the above Toffee - and she's fine whilst u stand and do that - but if you go to get a hoof pick or do her feet she starts the head tugging thing grr.
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I'd let her get on with doing her head tugging thing, don't pamper to her, she'll soon realize it doesn't get her anywhere but if you keep going to rescue her she'll use it as a game; stiffen your resolve, if you don't, you won't get any improvement in her manners..
 
Maesfen said:
Leather headcollar only and tie straight to the solid wall so no give at all.
Do use a quick release knot but let her learn that if it's tied she can't get loose no matter how she tries.
If all horses were taught to tie the proper way from the beginning you wouldn't get them starting bad habits like this.

ETA when first teaching tying up, just loop the rope through the ring and hold the end while doing your jobs (picking feet, grooming etc) and let it play through the ring a little if they pull back then make them stand up again until they're good enough to tie.
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Totally agree!! I can tye all mine up and leave them and they would still be there 12 hours later. Can't be doing with anything that won't tye up.

Many years ago we used to buy 3 year olds from a didi type (Not Ken Dodd!!) They were all tied up as foals alongside their mums. They were green but they had manners. Not being tied up was never an option. Harsh yes, but cruel no. Being fluffy does not do any animal any favours. Consistancy and discipline....same applies to kids!!!!
 
Maesfen said:
I'd let her get on with doing her head tugging thing, don't pamper to her, she'll soon realize it doesn't get her anywhere but if you keep going to rescue her she'll use it as a game; stiffen your resolve, if you don't, you won't get any improvement in her manners..
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Maesfan its nothing to do with my resolve, if you read the first post you'd see she pulls the rope through eventually, its a v deft clever move she does than beggars off as she's free hence looking for more solid non pull back ideas.

Think Im going leather headcollar (excuse to buy one;) ), rubber tie on baler band - thanks folks :)
 
I have used with good effect, a quick release clip on one end of some baler twine passed through a very short length of blue alcathene pipe (say 1ft or shorter) with a regular clip on the other end clipped to the tie ring which is set high on the wall. It's hard to pull back with their head high and they can't take hold of the pipe as it's too short. All they can do is move side to side.
 
eggs said:
The method I was taught many years ago was to clip a lunge one to the head collar and pass it through the tie ring. The handler hold the lunge line whilst grooming, etc. the hirse can move around but not get free. They should soon learn.
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This. A 500kg horse versus a bit of thin rubber. It aint gonna work.
 
BraidedTail said:
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My horse was the same - would just yank hard when he no longer wanted to be tied - a rope halter gives that instant pressure/release. He doesn't bother trying now. Don't leave horse tied up alone in a rope halter though. Also if she undoes rope, use a long lead rope and tie with lots of slip loops, gives them something to play with but is difficult to untie by themselves.
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This is why I said patience. Dedicate an afternoon. I sat behind my stable door. Read a book. If she's an impatient baggage she won't stand all day...... Or find a helper to do the walking away from her etc
 
She will still start the head tugging thing if I'm stood next to her - need her to realise that that is no longer going to equal the rope pulling free hence thinking the more fixed rubber lead would be a better solution. Have had this horse long enough to know short of me resorting to negative reinforcement every time she moves an inch which works for that day but as every day is a clean slate for this madam it won't work long term and just isn't practical.

Im not understanding the pipe one I'm afraid :/
 
Maesfen said:
Leather headcollar only and tie straight to the solid wall so no give at all.
Do use a quick release knot but let her learn that if it's tied she can't get loose no matter how she tries.
If all horses were taught to tie the proper way from the beginning you wouldn't get them starting bad habits like this.

ETA when first teaching tying up, just loop the rope through the ring and hold the end while doing your jobs (picking feet, grooming etc) and let it play through the ring a little if they pull back then make them stand up again until they're good enough to tie.
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Sorry, but this doesn't always work, we had a CBxTB mare, who after breaking three lots of baling twine, was tied directly to the ring in the stable wall, (wooden) That will teach her, the idiot pulled back so hard, she pulled the stable wall out taking off will eight feet of planking in tow, luckily didn't go far, just stood waiting to be rescued, I use a lunge rein through a ring for youngsters, giving them room to fidget and me control, just shorten the rein and they come back to the ring and learn to stand nicely
 
Slightly jumping into post... My horse is a pain to tie up in a trailer/lorry. You can load him, tie him up, then all he will do is pull and yank and pull and yank until something breaks and he then legs it.

He is NOT scared, just very badly mannered (previous owner pandered very badly to him.) he ties up normally fine.

How would you go about fixing this nice little problem?
 
Bollybop from my recent research that's the type the blocker toe ring would help I think have a read of the stuff there are vids to watch too
 
bollybop said:
Slightly jumping into post... My horse is a pain to tie up in a trailer/lorry. You can load him, tie him up, then all he will do is pull and yank and pull and yank until something breaks and he then legs it.

He is NOT scared, just very badly mannered (previous owner pandered very badly to him.) he ties up normally fine.

How would you go about fixing this nice little problem?
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You should never tie a horse in the transport until it's secured by the petition in the lorry or the breeching in a trailer .
In the lorry it's simple you always shout the petition then tie the horse up .
Park the lorry so the potion will stay back without fixing it and put a lead rope round it as you am over the horse into position grab it and pull the petition over and fox it then tie up the horse .
In the trailer you simply train the horse to walk into the trailer on it own with you staying on the ramp you then do the breeching up and then tie up .
 
flirtygerty said:
Sorry, but this doesn't always work, we had a CBxTB mare, who after breaking three lots of baling twine, was tied directly to the ring in the stable wall, (wooden) That will teach her, the idiot pulled back so hard, she pulled the stable wall out taking off will eight feet of planking in tow, luckily didn't go far, just stood waiting to be rescued, I use a lunge rein through a ring for youngsters, giving them room to fidget and me control, just shorten the rein and they come back to the ring and learn to stand nicely
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I wouldn't tie a bad tier directly to a wooden stable wall :eek3:. That is asking for trouble.
 
I got 2 pieces of baler twine and 2 leadropes. I had one leadrope slightly longer so when she broke the baler twine on the shorter one, she was still tied up.

I ensure it's not long enough that she can get her legs caught in it = no need for a paddy.
 
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