UPDATE: If something falls apart after 3 weeks......

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From my earlier post http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=11052712#post11052712

What is the returns policy on the website?

Well, I think it says if it's faulty they cover return postage but I think they're trying to claim the damage must be my fault so I think they're saying I have to cover return costs.

Their email earlier to me said,

Dear *****

Under the sales of goods act we are able to offer a repair or replacement. Alternatively we can offer a refund but the return postage cost would not be paid for by us.

Consumer direct reference **********

This post requires being pressure fixed to the ceiling due to its size - if this is not done correctly it will be unstable as would any simlar item of that height and size.

Please let us know which option you would prefer.

And their Returns Policy is....

5. RETURN POLICY

We will happily refund or exchange products which are not quite what you wanted.

If you are entitled to a refund, we will refund you as follows within 30 days from the point of being made aware in writing of cancellation or fault being disclosed for the product: If you paid by paypal, debit/credit card, we will refund you by the same method as the original purchase. We will refund the delivery charge in full if you return all items in your order at the same time. If you choose to keep some of the items, we will retain the balance of the delivery charge that applies to the items you keep. Should you have received any promotional free gifts or offers as a result of your purchase these must also be returned.

6. RETURN INSTRUCTIONS

We hope that you will be happy with your purchase but should you wish to return or exchange an item please follow the instructions below.

6.1 Cancellation rights Non-faulty items

You have the right to cancel your order up to 7 days (UK ONLY) after the day you received the item(s) by sending an e-mail. This does not cover business customers as this right is not extended to you.

Items sent to the rest of the world are generally non-returnable if they are not faulty, any returns will be at customer service’s discretion on a case by case basis. Please contact us to discuss your situation.

Please note that your right to return an item does not apply to certain products unless the item has a manufacturing fault (in which case see section 8.2 below). Such items include:

6.1.2 Perishable items, such as foods, treats and vitamins and supplements.

6.1.3 Animal grooming products

6.1.4 Flat pack items such as cages that have been partially or fully assembled except for in the case of a proven and confirmed manufacturing fault.

6.1.5 Bespoke items, such as individually inscribed collars or any product made or tailored to your specific needs.

6.1.6 Any item sold by us via any online auction site won by bidding (fixed price items are not excluded).

If the item(s) have not been dispatched we will cancel the order and we will refund payment in accordance with our refund policy in section 6 below. If the item(s) have been dispatched to you and we are unable to stop the delivery, you can refuse to sign for the delivery so that the item(s) are returned to us and we will refund in accordance with our refund policy in section 6 below. We request all products that are cancelled are returned to us at the address below (see section 9) You will be refunded the original delivery and item cost excluding any discount applied at the point of purchase. However, the cost for the return postage is the responsibility of the customer. You can;

1. Make the goods available for collection, we will gladly book a courier and collect from UK Mainland (excluding highlands & islands) the goods this will be charged at a rate of 7.50 GBP upto 30kgs volumetric weight (based on either dimensions or actual weight). This will be deducted from the refund.

2. The customer can send the item(s) back. However, we require this to be via a trackable signed for method.

You are legally obliged to take reasonable care of items. Please return an item in its original and undamaged packaging with all of its components. If an item is returned undamaged in its original and in or with undamaged packaging we will offer you a refund in accordance with our refund policy in section 5 above. If you do not return the item as instructed within 28 days of cancellation, we may make a charge in respect of the cost of recovering (or attempting to recover) the item. If you do not return an item after our reasonable attempts to recover it, you will be deemed to have accepted the item, at which point a new purchase contract will be made and you will be charged for your order at the price then set out on the . This does not affect your statutory rights.

We take great care under the sales of goods act 1979 to ensure our products are of

* Satisfactory quality
* As described
* Fit for Purpose

If the customer believes a product does not conform to these criteria, the customer has the right to request money back within a reasonable time. Please contact customer services who will investigate the compliant immediately.

6.2 FAULTY & DAMAGED ITEMS

6.2.2 Damaged in transit

In the event your item arrives damaged please contact customer services immediately.

1. You will be required to sign for the item damaged.
2. E-mail us with a written account of the damage
3. Attach photos of the damage.
4. A return courier will be booked - all items must be returned unless agreed otherwise by a manager. Items must be returned in the original packaging.

We will agree a course of action which will either be refund or replacement. We will request the product is not assembled, used or destroyed in the interim. This may affect your right to return the item. We are not liable to provide a replacement in the interim or any claim resulting in temporary loss of use or associated consequential losses. A claim will be submitted to the courier company. They may choose to send out a questionnaire or representative to your home. We would be grateful for your co-operation will this matter.

6.2.3 Warranties

We do not offer warranties for any products supplied by us. Some items, but not all, have manufacturer’s warranties. The information will be supplied with the respective purchase and claiming against the warranty will involve contacting the manufacturer direct. If a fault is caused by accident, misuse or negligence, or it occurs outside the warranty period, it may not be covered by the manufacturer's warranty

6.2.4 Spares and repairs

We are unable to offer a repair service, but in some cases, we may send out spare parts if it is deemed necessary. We will not accept any claims for losses you suffer during this time.

6.2.5 Faulty products

If an item is damaged or faulty, customers will not charged return costs and will receive a full refund if the goods are confirmed as faulty on inspection. Please phone or email and provide full details. You order details such as original invoice or order number will be required
.

You will normally be asked to;

1. Send an email detailing the fault
2. Attach any photos that support this.

Return carriage or returns bag will be arranged and a refund or replacement will be issued which complies to normal delivery terms and conditions. The faulty item must be returned unless specified by a manager. We are not liable to provide a replacement in the interim or any claim resulting in temporary loss of use or associated consequential losses.

Any faults that are judge to be as a result of misuse, wilful damage or negligence will not be covered and any associated costs related to the claim may be charged to the customer.

If replacement items are provided in place of faulty goods that have been returned by the consumer, the cancellation rights under the DSRs will run for seven working days from the day after the day the consumer receives the replacement goods, provided you have previously complied with the refund policy section 5

6.2.5 Lost in transit

[Deleted as irrelevant]

7. General

If you are in breach of these Product Terms & Conditions and we choose to ignore this, we will still be entitled to use our rights and remedies at a later date or in any other situation where you breach these Product Terms & Conditions. We shall not be responsible for any breach of these Product Terms & Conditions caused by circumstances beyond our reasonable control.


I've highlighted the sections I think are relevant but not sure how it clears matters up. I am MORE confused. I think I should be entitled to return delivery as the product was weak and fell apart but their earlier email suggests they're choosing to blame me for the unit collapsing within 3 weeks of use so won't offer to cover the cost to return.

AND WHY HAVE THE OPENED A CONSUMER DIRECT CASE? AREN'T I SUPPOSED TO DO THAT!!!

Jeeze. What do I do??? :confused:
 
I believe they only have to offer a repair or replacement when the goods are not fit for purpose not a refund.. for this they are agreeing to pay the postage costs.

However, if you want a refund.. they are requesting you pay the postage.

I would also think that it is very difficult for a supplier to deem whether a product has a manufacturing fault or has been abused in some way until they are able to see it in the flesh so to speak.
 
Did the instructions say to fix it to the ceiling?

If so, did you?

Yes and yes. Google 'ORLA Cat Activity Play Center with Hideout' and you'll find a picture of what the assembly looks like. It's impossible to erect it for use without securing it against the ceiling. Mine's snapped just above the first flat platform, where the pole rises out to the next level. The posts are cardboard tubes wrapped in sisal. The platforms are hardboard covered in fluffy material. TBH because the platforms and boxes are aren't centrally connected and are relatively heavy, the unit is ill weighted. The weight of the boxes hanging by one corner isn't a great design IMO. I assumed it would be okay and made sure the top post was well wedged to the ceiling, but obviously two boisterous kittens leaping and hanging off of it was too much for mine. Seriously, I couldn't have made it any more secure and my kittens aren't even heavy. One is about 2lbs and the other is smaller.

I'm now concerned that the retailer has obviously been on the phone to Consumer Direct (they've given me a reference number); has put their view across and CD have come to the conclusion from what they've been told by the seller, that they are not liable to pay the return costs. Goodness knows what they've said. How will this affect ME if I need to contact CD myself???
 
Don't contact CD, you have no obligation to go through them for a dispute. Tell them you installed it properly. Send them photos of the damage. And tell them that you will sue them in the small claims court if they do not refund your money immediately or pay for a return and then refund your money. Just fight it for a bit longer and you will become too much of a nuisance to ignore. If you installed it correctly you are totally in the right. Stick with it, they'll give in.
 
Hi

The supplier has the right to take resonable time to inspect the goods which may include returning it to the manafacturer for them to inspect. They may ask for the return postage cost to be covered by you until the item have been demmed faulty. Once it is demmed faulty you are entiled to request a full refund both for the product and for the return postage costs.

Sam
 
Sam you'd normally be right, but I think the fact that the buyer is only requesting a £45 refund, not hundreds for some electronic gadget, and that the pole was made out of cardboard when 5kg cats are expected to jump on it rather reduces their claim to be allowed to make sure that it is faulty by having it in their possession first. If the buyer sends a picture showing a snapped cardboard tube, then to my mind they have proved their point.

Cullord if you want my help drafting an email in reply to theirs, PM me. I'm off to bed now and out most of tomorrow but I'll get back to you so you can send it Sunday for when they come into work on Monday.
 
Here's a photo of the unit - how it's supposed to look

Orla.jpg


And here's mine now :(

Orla012.jpg


Although the unit is broken, you can see how the first platform on the right with the circular cave is wonkey because it's only supported on one side by the upper post it's attached to. There is no lower post to support the underneath of this platform so when the unit is fully assembled (and securely wedged against the ceiling to stabilise the structure) these platform thingies are still very wonkey and unstable because they are hanging awkwardly. Kitten jumps onto them and just makes things worse. I don't think this thing is very well thought out design-wise.

Excuse the delightful (not!) backdrop. We're in the process of renovating and re-carpeting!!

Mega thanks cptrayes. :)
 
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Hi

The supplier has the right to take resonable time to inspect the goods which may include returning it to the manafacturer for them to inspect. They may ask for the return postage cost to be covered by you until the item have been demmed faulty. Once it is demmed faulty you are entiled to request a full refund both for the product and for the return postage costs.

Sam

Yeah, but I'm betting I'll pay return costs for them to 'inspect it' and come to the inevitable conclusion that somehow I was resposible of the thing collapsing. How can I argue when it's in their best interests NOT to admit the thing is ill designed and not fit for 2 small DSH kittens to play on for more than 3 weeks. I know I didn't pay a lot for it, but I still expected it to last 6 months or so. 3 weeks is just ridiculous :(

I've now ordered one of these http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/cats/scratching_posts/large/large_cat_trees_height_180_cm/275038 with a couple of these http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/cats/scratching_posts/large/283172 for good measure!
 
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