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Bethcyrilandchina

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Earlier i posted about my horse being lame. I was really worried about him and when i checked on him again he was lying down flat out and i seriously thought he was dead - He does often lie flat but he didnt move when i called his name!! Thankfully he did sit up eventually - i was sooo relieved. Before we went down to the field we dropped by our local tack shack to get some of the 'global herbs' form of bute - pain killer. we told the lady at the tack shack his symptoms and she thought he could have laminitis!! She thought this because when i went to check on him before i noticed both of his legs were swollen and he didnt want to move and was hobiling. So we gave him the bute in his dinner and hope he'd eat it which he sort of did. He looks so upset and bored his feet arent actually that hot but his front legs are very swollen and i can feel the fluid and cant the feel hi cannon bone. Another thing why i think it might be laminitis is that if it was a tendon it would just be in one leg and he keeps changing with pain in his leg - one minitute he wont bear weight on his left leg and then he cant bear weight on right leg. He does actually seem uneasy on all of his legs.

Does laminitis just effect the front legs? And even though his hooves arent that hot could it still be laminitis? Also he has never had it before and he is not a pony he is a 16.1 hh thoroughbred and 18 years old. Although he is a pig and eats loads!! Does anyone have any idea what it could be and also could it be laminitis? How long should i rest him and what else should i give him or do? Sorry essay =]
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Well we debated weather to yet and thought if we gave him the painkiller global herbs supplement. And if he is no better we will call the vet monday.
 

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Laminitis can affect all four legs and can happen in any horse of any size or age. Whatever is wrong with your horse it sounds like he needs a vet asap, if he is in that much pain that he does not want to put the weight on his feet he needs strong pain relief that only your vet can give.

Mine has had laminitis and if you want a chance of a complete recovery vet intervention is crucial in the early stages to dress the feet and administer the drugs. Please do not leave your horse in this much pain get him some help, if you have had the vet but he has gone downhill since you need to get vet back.
 

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Call the vet - it won't matter that you have given him bute X. If it is laminitis you need to get him in a stable asap - on deep shavings. Soak his hay so he has something to eat. Laminitis can affect all four feet or just one - heat is no indicator of laminitis but the pulses are. If you don't know where the pulses are get your vet to show you.

Please call your vet asap - if he does have laminitis it is important to start treating and managing him straight away - laminitics often lay down to take the weight and therefore the pain off their feet. Not treating him fast enough has a bearing on the eventual outcome - and it is incredibly painful especially for bigger horse. I know my mare had it last year and had to nerve blocked so she could walk from the field to her stable.

When you have stabled him and had the vet if it is laminitis go to the Laminitis Clinic website for all the information you need on management, diet etc.

But PLEASE PLEASE CALL YOUR VET ASAP - the longer you leave laminitis the worse it is for your horse - it is as much as an emergency as colic.
 

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Call the vet now. You do not sound nearly experienced enough to judge and if your horse has laminitis it may well be too late by monday, it could be anything, lymphangitis, etc. Please call your vet your horse is in pain.
 

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Laminitis can affect all four legs and isnt always related to food and being over weight, it can be concusion to the feet or toxins in the body, but once the pedal bone starts to rotate then your in trouble, i would ring the vet as it sounds like you have got something going on in there, rather be safe than sorry, bute will only cover the syptoms not cure the problem. hope it gets sorted.
 

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call vet, although common and something we all regularly talk about etc, suspected laminitis is a medical emergency (in any vets book). ring now.
 

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He is on bute now and seems much happier and is moving around a bit. We have sectioned a very small area with no grass for him in the field as he is too far away go to his stable to box rest and he doesnt enjoy his stable and would stress more in there and walk around more. What else would the vet do apart from giving bute? Thanks =]
 

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You need to get the vet out for this one. Agree with OP laminitis is serious and extremely painful.

Do not think that just because your horse is a TB he won't get laminitis, it effects all types of horses and ponies, and not just from grass/overeating.

You need to bring your horse into a stable with a deep bed to support his feet. I can't remember how big he is from the post, but, if he is in that much pain, I'd give two sachets of bute. It may be that the vet will administer more intravenously, when they see him.

A soaked hay net will keep him going for tonight. I wish you luck, if it is laminitis, as it is a management problem once your horse has had it.

Hope he is ok
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hes not on bute hes on bute-ex u just said. Seriously you need to call the vet Laminitis is a veterinary emergency.
 

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If he has laminitis-he needs a deep bed. If it's lymphangitis (a possibility with pain and swollen legs) he needs antibiotics and lots of movement. If it's a damaged tendon he needs box rest. You NEED to call a vet and get their advice at the VERY least.
 

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he may give the horse anti biotics to reduce the swelling if its not laminitis, but like i said, bute only masks the problem not cure it, something has started this and its needs to be investigated, i wouldnt think twice about calling the vet if my horses legs were like that, if it is laminitis, treatment needs to start now and the first step is the vet!
 

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hes not on bute hes on bute-ex u just said. Seriously you need to call the vet Laminitis is a veterinary emergency.

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Sorry I didn't understand that, what is bute ex????!!
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the vet would tell you how severe he may have laminitus and give him the pain relief he needs! bute will only mask over his pain not cure it. if he is in that much pain you should of had the vet out immediatly, now you have given him the bute the vet will get a false impression as to how much pain he is in!!
 

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the vet will also giv acp with bute or finadine if laminitis, it may not be lami though but with two front legs like balloons and an immobile horse its an emergency for the vet and he wil determine what it is and treat appropriatly.
 

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He is on bute now and seems much happier and is moving around a bit. We have sectioned a very small area with no grass for him in the field as he is too far away go to his stable to box rest and he doesnt enjoy his stable and would stress more in there and walk around more. What else would the vet do apart from giving bute? Thanks =]

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please don't tell me you're being serious? that's like you having a serious medical illness as a child, and your mum giving you calpol and refusing to call a doctor... vets can do a huge amount, and the fact that you have him out in a field proves you are not knowledgable enough... this is a medical emergency. please, for the sake of your horse, who relies on you COMPLETELY, please get the vet out. worst case scenario, you get a bill in a couple of weeks for 40quid for nothing. best case scenario, your horse is saved.
 

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hes not on bute hes on bute-ex u just said. Seriously you need to call the vet Laminitis is a veterinary emergency.

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Sorry I didn't understand that, what is bute ex????!!
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no the op did. its a bute free supplement from global herbs, a bute alternative.
ets; sorry fs that post wasnt a direct reply to you it was to the OP's reply of the horse seeming happier now hes had bute.
 

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Believe me, if the laminitis is that severe, a few sachets of bute will not mask the problem!!

The vet should have been called immediately! In this situation, the person has no experience of dealing with laminitis and needs a qualified person to explain it face to face.

I think the problem is that people who do not have typical native/good doers/ponies think that their horses will not get laminitis...it's just not true, so a vet needs to see this horse immediately.
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Apologies, I don't deal in herbal supplements for something as serious as laminitis, so didn't understand the product
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Apologies, I don't deal in herbal supplements for something as serious as laminitis, so didn't understand the product
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well no, that was my point!
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seriously, i'm in shock. this has to be a joke. who wouldn't have called a vet out? and why?

my blood is starting to boil. i can't comprehend this at all. i'm going to make a hot chocolate, scatter some marshmallows on the top... and by the time i come back to this... i'll find it was all a big joke...
 
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