KarynK
Well-Known Member
I found this a very interesting read
http://www.livescience.com/12782-horse-whipping-racehorses-study.html
http://www.livescience.com/12782-horse-whipping-racehorses-study.html
the sooner the whip is banned from racing, the better. The sooner racing is banned, even better.
Going to take a lot to get the whip banned, and racing will never be banned. Thank goodness
We've discussed this before, but I believe the whip does make a difference - I strongly believe it doesn't hurt them at all and has a lot of use as a safety aid. I believe it would be very difficult to keep many horses straight without a whip and we'd see possibly dangerous situations occuring if they took it away. If you've ever held a racing whip you'll have seen that it is about as far away from an instrument of torture as you can get, and the punishments for misuse are so high (see Jason Maguire..) that I think it is safe and humane enough as it is.
A horse can feel a fly land on it . . . . just imagine what a whip really feels like? Have you ever been whacked with a whip as hard as jockeys whack horses? Try it sometime
Ever been hit with a racing whip? Think it hurts a thoroughbred in full gallop? Watch a race and see how many times a jockey actually hits the horse - much of the time they are just waving it.
Over2You, I can't be bothered writing out yet another reply to you because I know we've argued before and neither of our opinions will change.
People who think racing should be banned are ridiculous. What on earth do you suppose we do with all the horses and people involved with it?
Going to take a lot to get the whip banned, and racing will never be banned. Thank goodness
We've discussed this before, but I believe the whip does make a difference - I strongly believe it doesn't hurt them at all and has a lot of use as a safety aid. I believe it would be very difficult to keep many horses straight without a whip and we'd see possibly dangerous situations occuring if they took it away. If you've ever held a racing whip you'll have seen that it is about as far away from an instrument of torture as you can get, and the punishments for misuse are so high (see Jason Maguire..) that I think it is safe and humane enough as it is.
For a start, there would be a lot less horses suffering in the industry, and far fewer dying in races and training. There would also be a lot less ex racers desperately looking for new homes after there racing careers are over.
I dont reckon racing will ever be banned, as there is too much at stake financially. But if it was, we would stop over breeding them, and over time, there would be less and less to suffer because of human ego and greed.
Ah bless you for your naivety - and whilst I agree that the whip may have a place for keeping the horse straight, clearly being hit with any kind of stick (and yes I'm very familiar with a racing whip) is going to hurt when used hard enough.
I love racing - but firmly believe that whips should have no place in them.
The people who think the whip should be banned from racing, do you also think it should be banned from sports like eventing?
I think perhaps they should be not be used to in the finish of the race but I think they are very important for helping to straighten the horse when jumping- jockeys can hardly use their legs for this the same way a normal rider with longer stirrups can.
No MT - I don't think it should be banned from sports like eventing.
My issue with the whip in racing is that a jockey will pick up his stick and beat a tired horse (who really has nothing more to give) across the line.
Or as I said above, ban them from using it in the finish?
I am pretty sure BE has a rule that you can't whip a horse after the last fence- perhaps racing could have a similar rule? [/i]
Yes, possibly that would be the way to go.
If it does not hurt, then why do a lot of racehorse get weals? Read the link I provided in my last post. It proves that FACT!!
oh my gosh.i cant beleive what some of youn are saying.the cruelty that goes on in racing is disgusting.and its all well to say that horses are are injured in other sports,but they are GERERALLY injured due to accidents etc.on the other hand in racing,it causes SOO much damage to the body.and the amount of youngsters put down when they arnt sold...
oh my gosh.i cant beleive what some of youn are saying.the cruelty that goes on in racing is disgusting.and its all well to say that horses are are injured in other sports,but they are GERERALLY injured due to accidents etc.on the other hand in racing,it causes SOO much damage to the body.and the amount of youngsters put down when they arnt sold...
What do you suggest we do then, ban it? I'd love to be a racehorse myself, the treatment they get is second to none. Rather be a racehorse than one of the thousands of poor horses standing around in mud filled fields with no job to do, quietly getting thinner.
Even tho i would love it to be banned, its never going to be. There is far too much money at stake.
Maybe its a shame your not a racehorse now? Then maybe if you come back again as a human, you will think differently. Being a racehorse is a tuff life, yes horses are allowed to run, but they are also pushed way too far.
I think if more people were able to experience life from an animals perspective, we might change how we feel about them, and treat them.
I think a lot of things need to change in racing a long time before we get to use of the whip, that at least is VERY tightly controlled. I don't have a problem with racing in itself but the racing industry...that needs to enter the 21st century.
I find racing 2 year olds unacceptable and I think the training needs to take into account the risks associated with microtrauma and build up the skeletal system more before fast work is started. No youngster should get bucked shins if enough time is taken. I think that the 1st of Jan birthday needs review as it means that some of the later foaled youngsters are barely long yearlings when backed. I think the industry needs to take more responsibility for the fallout and retraining. I think that the feeding regimes (tons of starch in big meals isn't exactly what the horses gut evolved to deal with) and the care (stabling 24/7) needs to be examined and changed.
HOWEVER as long as racing and betting are multi-billion pound industries then money will be the main consideration. Though I believe that it is wrong to keep horses in all the time I can appreciate the terror associated with turning 1/2 a million or more pounds worth of super-fit horseflesh out in the field for a buck and fart. Though on the other hand if they were turned out regularly throughout their lives the risk if them going loopy and injuring themselves would be much lower....