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I'm already thinking ahead to next year when my mare is going in foal again and have been stallion shopping
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. she had a lovely colt this year by a ID (mare is by a TB out of a IDxConnemara). I'm really pleased with the foal, not only is he lovely looking, but has an amazing temperment, great paces and a super jump (he jumps a stream and banks in his field for fun
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). I know it's a bit early to tell but my matchmaking seems to have worked out really well, I got the best characteristics of both the mare and stallion, which I was hoping for
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Now I'm very tempted to bring the mare to the same stallion again next year, I know there is definitely no guarantee of getting a similar foal again but I was wondering what more experienced breeders think?
 
Why not, if you get the same again you may be on to the perfect partnership...
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I would quite easily use the same stallion on a mare again if I thought the resulting offspring was of good quality. Yes you have no guarantees, but you have no guarantees with any breeding combination.....
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If you've got a foal you are pleased with then why not use the same one again. We used mayhill 3 times and although they were slightly different we were very pleased with all of them
 
I've used the same stallion on the same mare twice. The first, a chestnut was a super upstanding sort; he went on to be Champion at the HIS Malvern show and sale and was country shown with success for some years after. The next was a bay weasel of a pony, nothing like either parent or his brother so lightening doesn't always strike twice!
By the same token, I have used a stallion on three different mares; all TBs but all very different types and the foals have all been very similar and stamped by the sire; you can certainly see who their Daddy is!
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A friend had three full brothers eventing, none really looked identiacl, but were all same colour bay and only 1 had white on him. They ranged from 16hh to 17.2hh!!! all have great temperaments and love there jumping!!!
 
I've done repeat breeding when I've been very pleased with the cross and although the foals have obviously been a bit different, been thrilled with the 2nd versions as much as the 1st and in one case the 2nd foal has been ever better than her wonderful sister.
 
I am also considering using the same stallion on my mare,if she doesnt stay sound between now and the spring.

I have been so pleased with the colt she produced and lots of people (stud, vet, experienced breeders) have commented on how nice he is. My only wish is that this stallion was still licensed
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but hey ho it's only a bit of paper and as long as i'm happy with the result its doesnt really matter as i'm not breeding to sell on
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hi. I have found quite often when pleased with a first foal that the second one is even better.not just with our own horses either but with other peoples.
 
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hi. I have found quite often when pleased with a first foal that the second one is even better.not just with our own horses either but with other peoples.

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It can go that way - or it can go the other way just as easily!

I stand an RID stallion primarily to use on my own mares - and fortunately he does a pretty good job on all of them. But you sure don't get carbon copies!

I have 4 full sisters/brothers out of the same RID mare by the same RID stallion. The 2nd (filly) was slightly better than the first (filly). The 3rd (colt) is the best of the lot - stunning - and will hopefully stay sound and straight until be goes for grading in 2008. The 4th (another filly) looks more like the colt - and a little better than the first two fillies - but not as good as the colt. It's a roll of the dice every time!

Similarly, I have another RID mare who has 4 foals by the same stallion. The first (a filly) is stunning and graded with very high marks.) The 2nd (a colt) is just as nice (though quite different) and is aimed for grading in 2008; the 3rd (a colt) is a bit plain - we haven't gelded him yet as he was a late foal and I want to give him a little longer as he hasn't started to get too colt-ish yet; the 4th (another colt) has a date with the vet to be gelded in the spring!
 
Fascinated by this thread! Especially your experiences of repeating the same breeding several times.

JanetGeorge may I ask did the second example you gave involve one of your own stallions or an outside stallion?
 
I think I will go back to him, he's actually a pretty amazing stallion, he's an approved RID who's a grade A showjumper, works at elementary dressage, has 3 star evented and is hunted twice a week (he's used as a hireling for people on their first hunt as he's such a gentelman!). He also has the most brilliant temperment, he's very laid back and easy to handle- the guy leads him out to cover mares with a bit of rope around his neck!!! I was hoping to breed a good allrounder, and I don't think I can go far wrong with this guy. The mare is also very nice and is a proven jumper with good paces and temperment. The foal has certainly got an amazing temperment, he takes everything in his stride!
 
I have a smashing foal at the moment and I put the mare back in foal to the same stallion in June

Will be interested to see if next year's foalie is better/similar to my current one - Fingers Crossed!
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JanetGeorge may I ask did the second example you gave involve one of your own stallions or an outside stallion?

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Oh my own. And the mare is probably my best mare (she's the only Hornby Select mare I have at present although Karina should get hers next year.) But the first two were definitely the best.

This is the filly as a 2 year old (she's 4 now and in foal - and some guy is driving me MAD trying to buy her!)

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This is Rambo - the first colt - at a couple of weeks old -

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and again as a yearling

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(he's now 2, 16.2hh and 10 inches of bone!)

This was the 2nd colt at a week old:
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And this is the latest colt - he is PLAIN (cute - but plain!
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I'm PRAYING for a filly next year. Don't get me wrong, the second 2 colts will make very nice RID geldings for someone - but they don't shout 'stallion potential' at me!
 
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I think I will go back to him, he's actually a pretty amazing stallion, he's an approved RID who's a grade A showjumper, works at elementary dressage, has 3 star evented and is hunted twice a week (he's used as a hireling for people on their first hunt as he's such a gentelman!). He also has the most brilliant temperment,

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Who???? And is he available by chilled semen??
 
I love your foals, the first colt is especially nice, really has the 'look at me' quality, even as a foal! The stallion is Grange Bouncer, I don't know if he's available as chilled semen, my mare was covered naturally. Heres a pic of him eventing at Blarney 3 star
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and my foal by him this year
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Heres a bit more info on him, go to registered irish draghts and scroll down on the left http://www.ihb.ie/_fileupload/sol/St_fr_Hd.htm
 
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The stallion is Grange Bouncer, I don't know if he's available as chilled semen, my mare was covered naturally.


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Ah yes - I missed that you were in Ireland. I bought a Grange Bouncer gelding over from Ireland a few years ago as a 2 year old. I sold him on, but he's been back here twice - once for backing and once for some further schooling. He's a bit special as he has Tetrarch spots (The Tetrarch is WELL back in Grange Bouncer's pedigree.)

This is him during backing:
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Your chap looks very stylish!
 
Oooh I like him
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I've seen a few Grange Bouncers with the Tetrarch spots, my guy developed a spot on his face when he started to go grey but I'm not sure if you'd call it a proper tetrarch. He also has one on his hindquaters.
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What sort of ID lines do you have? Theres a lot to choose from over here, I think I'll definately go for an ID again. If I didn't go to Grange Bouncer, my other choices would be Glidawn Diamond or Rosheen Yeats (see the link above to IHB).
 
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Oooh I like him
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I've seen a few Grange Bouncers with the Tetrarch spots, my guy developed a spot on his face when he started to go grey but I'm not sure if you'd call it a proper tetrarch. He also has one on his hindquaters.

What sort of ID lines do you have? Theres a lot to choose from over here, I think I'll definately go for an ID again. If I didn't go to Grange Bouncer, my other choices would be Glidawn Diamond or Rosheen Yeats (see the link above to IHB).

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He is a bit nice, isn't he? Mind you, he wasn't easy to back - he'd had NO handling to the age of 2 aqnd was wild as wotsit when he arrived. The new owners did a wonderful job handling him on the ground - but he found backing quite traumatic. He's great now though and will be showing under saddle next year.

My stallion is by Touch of the Blues but is a bit of a throwback to his maternal grandmother - a great mare called Glounbrack Lass (by Galty Chief).

Mares - I've got a lot of Grey Macha - including a super old mare who is a full sister to Agherlow, and a Gort Boy (by Grey Macha) mare who is now a Hornby Select mare (similar to your 'Premier Broodmare status). I bought a Uibh Fhaili '81 mare from Ireland 2 years ago who was already a Premier broodmare, and only has to get one more Hornby to be a Hornby Select mare too - plus her 3 year old daughter by Grey Macha. And I've got a nice King Elvis mare expecting her first foal (for me) next year by Kensons Aragorn. And a Torspark Benedict mare on loan, and a Cummer Hero mare out of my Gort Boy mare also on loan. And a couple of Raj daughters (one from the Grey Macha mare and one from the Gort Boy mare) in foal to Kensons Aragorn - as is the King Elvis mare and the Torspark Benedict mare. The rest are in foal to Raj. And if she continues to p**s off with my OH out hunting, I've got a nice Flagmount Diamond mare to join the broodmare band next year! Oops - and I nearly forgot Surprise - she's by Alice's Diamond Slipper - called Surprise because she was a BOGOF - out of the Grey Macha mare who was scanned empty - but wasn't! I think that's it - 10 RID mares to foal next year! And another Raj daughter to join the band next year.

Not sure yet who I'll be using on the Raj daughters next year - possibly Barracaberry Orbit on two of them (the ones in foal - he's available chilled semen so they can stay at home) - and possibly Snowford Bellman (by Slievenamon) on the 3 year old - he's showjumping in the US but is available frozen.
 
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