Value the pony

[Limbo1]

What do you think this pony would be worth:

12.2 welsh (type) looks like c cross A ie chunky but small. Pretty 10 year old grey gelding, moves nicely but not show quality. Lead rein or 2nd pony as nappy off the lead. Jumps. Typical pony, bit nippy, cute, cheeky, good doer.

Ideas?

 

[SpringArising]

Around £800 as you've described him. Does he have any PC experience? Been to any local shows? In regular work? Lami?

 

[Lintel]

It's only worth what the seller is willing to pay- and more importantly what they want
I know of a lady who has had a diamond of a Welsh A for over 2 years, he is show quality, great jumper would be fantastic at pony club but is far too forward for a novice rider/ first ridden. The problem seems to be in our area- there are just no kids small enough to ride him and experienced enough to handle his forwardness.
Kids now a days that are small enough and experienced enough all want "horses" not like the old days when "ponies" were the in thing. (or certainly up my way this seems to be the way it is).

I would say there's quite a limited market, depends how he is in traffic as well- I'd pay £500 if he was good in traffic but that being said I'm not looking for a pony, I may be totally wrong.

 

[PorkChop]

If it is super good and safe in all ways on the lead rein then I would say up to £1000.

 

[Limbo1]

Around £800 as you've described him. Does he have any PC experience? Been to any local shows? In regular work? Lami?

Hi no lami etc Has done PC in the past but been a lead rein pony for past year. Good in traffic, being lead from another horse etc He is our loan pony but owners want to sell. Just trying to gage what he would be worth on the market. Forgot to mention also broken to harness.

 

[Limbo1]

Owner asking £1700 now. I think this is overpriced.

 

[eggs]

Gosh, I wouldn't be looking to pay more than £500 for the pony as described.

 

[be positive]

Owner asking £1700 now. I think this is overpriced.

Gosh, I wouldn't be looking to pay more than £500 for the pony as described.

While I think £1700 is rather ambitious the pony is on loan to you so they are holding the trump card really, if it is doing a good job for your child then it may be worth paying a sensible price to keep him.

£500 for a 10 year old safe lead rein pony that is only 10 and can also drive is totally unrealistic, quiet ponies can be very hard to find, he has years of useful life ahead and with some work may well go off lead in the future, from the many previous threads on here finding a safe lead rein pony can be like looking for hens teeth, what price do people put on their child's safety, if this comes with tack I think around £12-1500 would be fair as he will hold that value for many years.

 

[JanetGeorge]

Owner asking £1700 now. I think this is overpriced.

I know little or nothing about current pony values but if you think it over-piced - make an offer. Presumably you have already been to see it??

I had buyers on Sunday who had already arranged a vetting without seeing the Class 1 ID mare I had for sale (6 yo, easy to ride but required a decent rider to get the best from her - they managed!) She passed the vetting although vet mentioned a bare patch on her udder which MIGHT ultimately become a sarcoid! (Vets are getting TOO careful these days!) They came back offering £4,000 (I was asking £5,500) Forget it! I know what she's worth - and I was already asking less than that! Then they wanted to know what my 'best' price was. Needless to say, I didn't sell her! So everyone's time was wasted.

If someone had one of mine on loan I'd be more receptive to an offer if I thought it was a good home - but SOME people would think it was a captive sale and therefore worth exploiting. Perhaps you should suggest they have her back and handle her sale? But it depends how much you really want her!

 

[ihatework]

I think when buying a horse you have had on loan (assuming it isn't an unsellable problem horse you have turned around), you need to be prepared to pay a premium. What better way is there to purchase a horse than to have a nice long trial? For me that's worth paying for. I bought my current horse after 18 months on loan, a very experienced competition horse. I still think to the outside world I possibly overpaid on market value, but for me the value was in knowing exactly what I was buying, no hidden surprises.
OP in your shoes there is no harm in negotiating. But if this pony is doing a good job for you, the time and expense in finding a replacement (plus risk of replacement not being suitable) it might just be worth paying a little more than you might normally.

 

[Limbo1]

Thanks all for your input. I think will tell owner we are not going to buy him. If I was going to buy a pony for my kids I would not choose this one. My daughter will still only rarely get on him as he scared he when we first got him and we have a gold plated pony that is hers that my son can ride till we find another. I don't really want to buy as prefer loan for kids that a, may loose interest and b, will grow out of them. If they had asked £500 ish I would probably gone for it??

Now will have to break it to my son, he cryed himself to sleep for 2 days after my last horse went so god knows how he will react to this!

 

[FfionWinnie]

Gosh, I wouldn't be looking to pay more than £500 for the pony as described.

Agreeed. Nipping isn't typical. What you want is something safe your kid can groom. What has been described is ten a penny. Nearly anything is safe on the lead rein.

I've got a cracking Welsh A that does everything on and off the lead rein although a second pony off at the moment just because she is young and I wouldn't have expected to get that much for her as she is. Once she has proven herself perhaps up to 2k Max.

I paid £1600 with all tack and rugs for a saintly Welsh x who had done it all and seen it all and is suitable as a first and second ridden!

 

[SpringArising]

Agreeed. Nipping isn't typical. What you want is something safe your kid can groom. What has been described is ten a penny. Nearly anything is safe on the lead rein.

Agree with this. £1700 is massively overpriced for what you've described.

It's hard to iron out the creases with a pony that small. Once you've found someone able but small enough to sort it out, they usually revert to their old ways once a tot is back on board anyway.

If it nips and naps etc. then it's not a child's pony.

 

[ihatework]

Thanks all for your input. I think will tell owner we are not going to buy him. If I was going to buy a pony for my kids I would not choose this one. My daughter will still only rarely get on him as he scared he when we first got him and we have a gold plated pony that is hers that my son can ride till we find another. I don't really want to buy as prefer loan for kids that a, may loose interest and b, will grow out of them. If they had asked £500 ish I would probably gone for it??

Now will have to break it to my son, he cryed himself to sleep for 2 days after my last horse went so god knows how he will react to this!

Well that's a different slant then. You don't actually want to buy the pony, so to some extent the price they ask is immaterial!

 

[Llanali]

£500 for a 10 year old safe lead rein pony that is only 10 and can also drive is totally unrealistic, quiet ponies can be very hard to find, he has years of useful life ahead and with some work may well go off lead in the future, from the many previous threads on here finding a safe lead rein pony can be like looking for hens teeth, what price do people put on their child's safety, if this comes with tack I think around £12-1500 would be fair as he will hold that value for many years.

I agree entirely with this. I paid £1100 for my daughters pony, 12 years old, 12 h, doesn't nip but also a bit whizzy for a first ridden, but superb on lead and great as a second ridden.
I feel perfectly happy with the price I made.

I do NOT agree with FW statement that nearly.anything is safe on a lead rein I'm afraid. There are many many ponies who even on a lead rein will side step, wiggle, spook, the lot. It might not be dangerous as such, but its not necessarily safe for s little tot either.

 

[Limbo1]

Well that's a different slant then. You don't actually want to buy the pony, so to some extent the price they ask is immaterial!

This is why I posted - I was working through the though process. Although I prefer to loan I would buy given the right circumstances. Also wanted to sanity check that what they want is likely too much. So he is on a months notice and I am looking again!

 

[Kylara]

Some of the price might be coming from him being broken to drive as that does add money. Unless it hasn't done more than just being broken to drive.

Other than that it does seem a little steep.

 

[FfionWinnie]

I agree entirely with this. I paid £1100 for my daughters pony, 12 years old, 12 h, doesn't nip but also a bit whizzy for a first ridden, but superb on lead and great as a second ridden.
I feel perfectly happy with the price I made.

I do NOT agree with FW statement that nearly.anything is safe on a lead rein I'm afraid. There are many many ponies who even on a lead rein will side step, wiggle, spook, the lot. It might not be dangerous as such, but its not necessarily safe for s little tot either.

My point was really if that is his only good attribute then he isn't worth £1700 to me and furthermore I believe you could pick up something with far more good attributes that he has for the same money.

Safe on a lead rein does not mean the pony is safe generally. Perhaps saying safe was the wrong word but there are few horses I've owned that I couldn't tow a kid around on the lead rein on without any drama, doesn't mean they were safe child's ponies just that they were well mannered horses that would lead nicely.

I agree safety is important of course, and it's well worth the money if you can get it, however this pony does not seem to me to be a paragon of virtue and will need moved on shortly anyway as the older child is scared of it (another red flag!) and presumably it will be no more suitable for the younger one off the LR than the older one.