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I'm looking for opinions on what I should be paying for the pony below. He is from a well known dealer with a good reputaion so I know that will up the price but I'm just interested to know what you all think I should be paying.

14.2 (annual height certificate) 5yr old connie type gelding. Jumped 4 affiliated classes at 90cm in ireland and won all of them. Going well on the flat for his age, has a fab canter and a good jump, has done a full season hunting. Good catch, shoe, box, clip etc.

Any ideas?
 
Not really, 4 SJing clases and a seasons hunting isnt bad for a 5yr old at all!
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OP I would say depending on that word "potential" on how far he will go, about 5k?
 
I think that is about right for a 5yo experience wise and he is in ireland!

I would say 4k-4.5k

but you have to be careful as he is only 5 is he spot on 14.2 now? as a 148 he is worth that but if he were to grow and not get another annual cert his value will possibly drop (happened to a friend with a 5yo conniex, measured out a year later, still very nice but struggles a bit with senior distances sometimes.
 
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blimey-he has done a heck of a lot for his age!!!

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I agree, nothing should start jumping until its 5 IMO.
 
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I agree, nothing should start jumping until its 5 IMO.

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But its 5 now, we are in the scond half of a year and its done 4 sjing classes?!
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I agree, nothing should start jumping until its 5 IMO.

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But its 5 now, we are in the scond half of a year and its done 4 sjing classes?!
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and a full season of hunting
 
so it hunted last season as a 4 year old and has done 4 sj classes. I wouldn't consider that ott.

It very much depends on what counts as full seasons hunting. but it prob means he has learnt to stand still, behave in company cover what appears and jump a bit.

Sorry am on KatB with this one, I have seen much much worse.
edt. my only concern would be that it has won those SJ classes and hence may have been asked to jump off too soon but ponies IME tend to cope better with this than there equivalent horses.
 
Which is pretty standard practise for alot of irish 4 and 5yr olds... hunting isnt just jumping huge fences?!
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My horse was hunting as a 4yr old and popped about 5 rails in about as many outings... itsmore about trying to each them manners and getting them thinking forwards.
 
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so it hunted last season as a 4 year old and has done 4 sj classes. I wouldn't consider that ott.

It very much depends on what counts as full seasons hunting. but it prob means he has learnt to stand still, behave in company cover what appears and jump a bit.

Sorry am on KatB with this one, I have seen much much worse.

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All down to personal preferance i guess. I personally wouldnt hunt a four year old. I wouldnt want them doing any jumping or galloping at that age. As a four year old all i expect is quiet hacking and a bit of schooling getting used to having a rider onboard for their first ridden year, but then i dont like anything broken before its a 4yo either so this may have something to do with it
 
sounds a very nice pony to me..

as another poster has ssid, just watch his height...if he stays at 148, should be around 4.5k
 
wouldn't like to break before 4 but if broken in spring would be happy for them to hunt the following season albeit a perhaps a little quietly and sedately
 
To the best of my knowledge ( SJI have changed eight classes for ponies in 2009 so I may not be fully up to date on this) - 90cm classes cannot be "won". Certainly in the old system, 90cm classes for 148cm were the smallest class (148D) and were not jumped off against the clock. Neither were 148CD(1.05m) classes -these have been replaced by 1.00m classes.
So its unlikely that this pony would have been pushed against the clock in affiliated competition at least.
Also as KatB said, its "normal" for irish horses and ponies to hunt as 4yos and often 3yos. And there is no evidence that it has shortened their useful life either.
 
Hi i have two ponies on my yard recently purchased both 14.2 Irish ponies, 5 and 6yo they cost £6K and£7.5K. Both hunted and have SJAI points. Hope this helps x
 
Thanks everyone that's been really helpful. He did the jumping classes this spring so I don't think he's been pushed too young, 4 jumping classes is fine for a rising 5yr old!

Pony was advsetised for considerably more than you have all valued him at, but I've haggled down to below what some of you have said. Watch this space!
 
interesting but it appears to be an opinion piece with no actual scientific papers referenced in the text (have saved to read fully later but only a reading list not references as such provided). I understand that these may be out there but I haven't bothered to look (*tottles off to look a web of science under the pre text that she is actually doing some PhD work
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OP well done on the haggling, please let us know if you purchase and pics will be required!
 
As ester said, there is no scientific research in that article. Deb Bennett is indeed well respected by chiropractors around the world, however that article doe not refer to statistics or indeed anything other than growth plate closure times, which on their own do not give the whole story.
And I did say evidence of work at 3 and 4 yo shortening a horse's (Irish horses in particular) career. There has been no research into the effects of such work, there isnt even much anecdotal evidence of early fast work (in sport horses) shortening their working career. Many of the world's top event horses have been sourced in Ireland where they hunted as 3 and 4yos. Think Supreme Rock and Ringwood Cockatoo for example. Also Overtoyou had a racing career prior to his very long and successful eventing career. And yes, you may say this is only a handful of horses I have mentioned - however its important to remember that only a handful of horses reach the top of the sport regardless of their start.
 
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