vet or farrier

[meandmrblue]

my cob has really bad thrush been treting it for a long time with usual treatments. just wondering who is best to get this sorted vet or farrier.

 

[Miss L Toe]

why does it have thrush?
I mean is it due to bad bedding or muddy fields or shoeing problems

 

[teresagarsden]

Personally I would go with the farrier it is their job to know hooves and they will see so many cases of thrush they will have a good idea what actions give the best results.
I have found in the past that a good scrub with hibiscrub and water then allow to dry and then spray with the blue spray they use on cattle and sheep hooves (cant remember what its called but I am sure someone on here will know) This has always worked a treat for mine, even with very bad cases.
Good luck :O)

 

[meandmrblue]

why does it have thrush?
I mean is it due to bad bedding or muddy fields or shoeing problems

dont really know have had colered cobs over15years never had this before

 

[meandmrblue]

Personally I would go with the farrier it is their job to know hooves and they will see so many cases of thrush they will have a good idea what actions give the best results.
I have found in the past that a good scrub with hibiscrub and water then allow to dry and then spray with the blue spray they use on cattle and sheep hooves (cant remember what its called but I am sure someone on here will know) This has always worked a treat for mine, even with very bad cases.
Good luck :O)

have tried this still no joy

 

[Miss L Toe]

have tried this still no joy

The purple spray you get from the tack shop is not the same as the prescription stuff from the vet.
If I were you, I would stable for a fortnight and work at keeping feet clean, I mean immaculate. And remove the shoes.

 

[MiJodsR2BlinkinTite]

Personally I'd be inclined to consult your farrier; they're the ones who know feet the best and are more likely IMO to offer a practical solution.

Personally I swear by stockholm tar; you need to clean the hooves really well with something like warm hibiscrub solution and scrub the soles to get them really clean, then stable overnight if you can.

Then next morning bung on some stockholm tar all over the sole/frog area and see how that goes.

 

[meandmrblue]

The purple spray you get from the tack shop is not the same as the prescription stuff from the vet.
If I were you, I would stable for a fortnight and work at keeping feet clean, I mean immaculate. And remove the shoes.

have had the vet out a while ago.told not to wash it .was given nettex phenox to use for ten days just had to clean soil from feet with a brush.this didnt work

 

[meandmrblue]

Personally I'd be inclined to consult your farrier; they're the ones who know feet the best and are more likely IMO to offer a practical solution.

Personally I swear by stockholm tar; you need to clean the hooves really well with something like warm hibiscrub solution and scrub the soles to get them really clean, then stable overnight if you can.

Then next morning bung on some stockholm tar all over the sole/frog area and see how that goes.

will give this a try as i have stockholme tar.farriers coming out next week

 

[cptrayes]

In view of everything that you have put on from the outside which is not curing the problem, then I think that you need to start looking at what is going into his mouth.Many cobs will have issues with sugar, including carrots. Do you have him on a high fibre, low sugar diet with restricted access to grass??

Assuming you already have him on low sugar, since you are an experienced cob owner, I would start with an analysis of your grazing and forage and balance his mineral intake. Many, many horses are copper and zinc deficient because of low copper/high iron/high manganese/high molybdenum.

If you have a mineral imbalance like that it will affect his ability to resist thrush.

 

[meandmrblue]

In view of everything that you have put on from the outside which is not curing the problem, then I think that you need to start looking at what is going into his mouth.Many cobs will have issues with sugar, including carrots. Do you have him on a high fibre, low sugar diet with restricted access to grass??

Assuming you already have him on low sugar, since you are an experienced cob owner, I would start with an analysis of your grazing and forage and balance his mineral intake. Many, many horses are copper and zinc deficient because of low copper/high iron/high manganese/high molybdenum.

If you have a mineral imbalance like that it will affect his ability to resist thrush.

he was on strip grazing through summer no hard feed.would he need extra vits and minerals.hes now stabled at night with soaked hay as he still being strip grazed ,toomuch grass still

 

[cptrayes]

If you have too much iron or manganese or molybdenum in your grazing or your hay/haylage then he could easily be deficient in copper, which is suppressed by an excess of any one of those. You could also have grazing/forage which is low in copper/zinc.

Low copper may suppress the immune system and cause skin issues and it intereferes with insulin regulation, all of which, I would guess, could contribute to him being unable to resist a fungal thrush infection.

Barefoot fans with a longstanding thrush problem would be looking to test for mineral imbalance. Forageplus.co.uk will do it for you and tell you what is lacking (and sell you it if you want to buy it from them).

If you are giving him no supplement at all, but soaked hay, then you are also losing all the water soluble vitamins and you certainly need to supplement those over the winter.

Copper deficiency seems to be the main one that analyses are throwing up. I supplement my own horses with additional copper on top of a general balancer but it is poisonous in excess so you need some guidance as to how much to give.

 

[Echo Bravo]

What about foals with over long hooves that have never been touched. My foal was finally trimmed on all 4 this week,I've owned him for 12 weeks. My farrier managed to trim his front feet back slightly 6 weeks ago but he has thrush in one fore. Now he's had his feet picked out everyday, once he got use to it and has been very very good, he's on a good straw bed which is mucked out every day and a good foot deep. My farrier says it's because of his feet being so long and they really were and it's going to take some time to get them normal and that includes the frog.

 

[Marydoll]

Id try bactakill 55

 

[noblesteed]

I have used gold label iodine spray on thrushy feet - that stuff will kill anything. Keep bedding very dry, don't let horse stand in it's own wee or muck if you can help it.

 

[Tnavas]

What is happening in the UK that so many horses seem to have thrush? In all the years I worked with horses (20+yrs in UK) I only came across a couple of them and they were long term but under control. I looked after 100's of horses in that time, both stabled and living out.

Is the horse definately suffering from thrush or is it just blackish muck that is a mix of mud and general horse secretions.

Thrush absolutely stinks - of a sick diarrhoea - what the hell have I trod in smell. There is no mistaking it. If it doesn't stink then it's not thrush.

I treated it then with Hydrogen Peroxide, squirted down all cracks with an old syringe.

 

[Miss L Toe]

have had the vet out a while ago.told not to wash it .was given nettex phenox to use for ten days just had to clean soil from feet with a brush.this didnt work

I don't think it is worth bothering the vet, try the dry feet / clean bed , soak in Epsom Salts or Salt Water, then pack with stockholme tar or another remedy, after that just keep clean.
Let the farrier probe and remove dead tissue, or do it yourself with a clean wire brush.
Equimins have an offer on minerals, my boy has been on them for ten days and there is a big difference in the coat, even though he was getting a well balanced diet before, also gets linseed meal.

 

[cptrayes]

What is happening in the UK that so many horses seem to have thrush? In all the years I worked with horses (20+yrs in UK) I only came across a couple of them and they were long term but under control. I looked after 100's of horses in that time, both stabled and living out.

Is the horse definately suffering from thrush or is it just blackish muck that is a mix of mud and general horse secretions.

Thrush absolutely stinks - of a sick diarrhoea - what the hell have I trod in smell. There is no mistaking it. If it doesn't stink then it's not thrush.

I treated it then with Hydrogen Peroxide, squirted down all cracks with an old syringe.

A few of us barefooters have a theory that it is sugar filled mixes and cow pasture grazing, the same as with the explosion in laminitis. I'd love someone to do some research into it.

I second the hydrogen peroxide, it's what I use, or household thin bleach does the job too. Before anyone goes bananas it was vet who told me to use it.

 

[Damnation]

I used to look after a horse with Trush.

The owner (also the YO) used to get us to put toothpaste on it daily, or twice daily if he went out.. It seemed to keep it under control.

Other remedies include Hydrogen peroxide (bought from the chemist) Poured onto the foot. (Wear rubber gloves!!!!!!) and the human canesten cream for ladythrush.

Speak to your farrier. They do know best when it comes to feet!

ETA: Is your horse mucky in his stable? If so it is very important to ensure a pristine clean deep bed to draw out the mousture from his feet. (A farrier told me that once)

 

[wattamus]

I use hydrogen peroxide (can get it off line or in chemists) it's very effective, my horse is prone to thrush and this works wonders

 

[meandmrblue]

I used to look after a horse with Trush.

The owner (also the YO) used to get us to put toothpaste on it daily, or twice daily if he went out.. It seemed to keep it under control.

Other remedies include Hydrogen peroxide (bought from the chemist) Poured onto the foot. (Wear rubber gloves!!!!!!) and the human canesten cream for ladythrush.

Speak to your farrier. They do know best when it comes to feet!

ETA: Is your horse mucky in his stable? If so it is very important to ensure a pristine clean deep bed to draw out the mousture from his feet. (A farrier told me that once)

yes he is dirty in stable take last poop out late on hes in large stable with rubbermats using 3 bags bed max a week .he seems to trash the place

 

[Tnavas]

A few of us barefooters have a theory that it is sugar filled mixes and cow pasture grazing, the same as with the explosion in laminitis. I'd love someone to do some research into it.

I second the hydrogen peroxide, it's what I use, or household thin bleach does the job too. Before anyone goes bananas it was vet who told me to use it.

Could definately be something to do with the high sugar in modern feeds as fungal infections just love sugar.

 

[Echo Bravo]

You can no longer buy hydrogen peroxide from the chemist, seems you can make an expolsive from it?? So I was told by my chemist.

 

[meandmrblue]

A few of us barefooters have a theory that it is sugar filled mixes and cow pasture grazing, the same as with the explosion in laminitis. I'd love someone to do some research into it.

I second the hydrogen peroxide, it's what I use, or household thin bleach does the job too. Before anyone goes bananas it was vet who told me to use it.

what do you meancow pasture grazing?

 

[meandmrblue]

finally got thrush sorted.stabled blue continous instead of just bringing him on night and packed the back of his frog with cotton wool soaked in siver feet.at last seems to be sorted.

 

[Tnavas]

what do you meancow pasture grazing?

Generally a mix of Rye Grass & Clover - often well fertilised.

 

[Janah]

Be careful with hydrogen peroxide. I had a livery owner diagnosed my boy with thrush and was syringing direct into an abcess. 'Til this day have issues with picking out feet unless done in a very strict rotation.

Jane