Viewed horse today but have couple questions.

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So some of you know I am on the lookout for number 2¬ :cool:
Viewed horse today in a neutral venue, all good, really liked her alot.. nice paces , forward going but has brakes which is v important to me.
Nice pop to her & even though didn't jump big today was just about getting a good feel for her...
So post ride we chatted about taking her on a 3 day trial at my yard ( bout 20 mins from current yard ) owner said no prob but then rang back & said had changed her mind as yard owner wouldnt agree to that.
Asked to go up & hack the horse out alone, was told no, had to be done with yard owner.
Also asked if I could have a lesson on the horses current yard, again this has to be checked with current YO...

Really totally & utterly taken a back.... as a potential buyer I thought possibly sellers would be more accomodating? ( appart from trial part - I totally understand that in case horse got injured )

The horse is not cheap and I really like her BUT am a bit concerned... Is this normal???? My current horse I purchased off my instructor & seems like a totally different process!
 
hmmm, I can understand why they wouldn't want you to hack out alone on her, but can't understand why they wouldn't want you to have a lesson on her - as a seller I would positively encourage that. Maybe they're just overly cautious...is the horse owned by the person you've been speaking to or the YO?
 
Sounds like the YO has advised caution for some reason

Don't be put off, once you own the horse it will all be in the past. For now I would go for a hack with the YO and try to win them over, once they are comfortable with you ask the horse to leave the YO horse and see if it will go willingly, that will probably give you a rough idea of what it's like to hack alone

Hopefully if the YO is happy the trial will be ok'd, if you want the horse you need to get that YO on side
 
I wonder if the YO allows other RIs onto the yard, if so I can't see the problem, in your having a lesson on the horse. The only problem I can see about your hacking alone would be if they thought they might never see the horse again but if you're local, that is hardly likely.
I can understand the seller not wanting to let the horse go off the yard for a trial but don't understand the rest, I'm afraid.
 
Horse is owned by the person Ive been speaking to - wouldn't be totally alone, my instructor would be on foot just in case. Yard horse is at is VERY private which is why we met on neutral ground as YO wont allow strangers in.

DabDab said:
hmmm, I can understand why they wouldn't want you to hack out alone on her, but can't understand why they wouldn't want you to have a lesson on her - as a seller I would positively encourage that. Maybe they're just overly cautious...is the horse owned by the person you've been speaking to or the YO?
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Defo wouldn't do a runner with the horse as would be leaving a jeep in yard whilst hacking out:cool:
Am just starting to think there may be an "underlying issue with the horse" which I don't think is the case but all the same.. I need to hack horse out alone as need to see how she reacts to things - plus future horse would also be hacking out with my 6yr olds pony so cannot take a risk really.

Pearlsasinger said:
I wonder if the YO allows other RIs onto the yard, if so I can't see the problem, in your having a lesson on the horse. The only problem I can see about your hacking alone would be if they thought they might never see the horse again but if you're local, that is hardly likely.
I can understand the seller not wanting to let the horse go off the yard for a trial but don't understand the rest, I'm afraid.
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I can understand the YO having reservations about the horse going away on trial to a strange yard and possibly coming back with a bug or getting injured but they should have no problem with you hacking out alone or having a lesson on the premises, I sell a few horses and anyone can hack out alone if they want as long as they can actually ride and I feel they are interested in buying not timewasters looking for a nice hack on a sunny day , it is essential to make sure the horse will leave the yard without napping and I would be suspicious if not allowed to do at least a short trip alone.
As for the lesson surely going with your trainer for another try will include some type of lesson to put her through her paces and over fences, what else would they expect when selling.
 
Thats exactly it!
Its wouldn't be a 2 hour hack, really just 30 mins or so..
Need my instructor to have a proper session with me to make sure right fit.


be positive said:
I can understand the YO having reservations about the horse going away on trial to a strange yard and possibly coming back with a bug or getting injured but they should have no problem with you hacking out alone or having a lesson on the premises, I sell a few horses and anyone can hack out alone if they want as long as they can actually ride and I feel they are interested in buying not timewasters looking for a nice hack on a sunny day , it is essential to make sure the horse will leave the yard without napping and I would be suspicious if not allowed to do at least a short trip alone.
As for the lesson surely going with your trainer for another try will include some type of lesson to put her through her paces and over fences, what else would they expect when selling.
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showpony said:
Horse is owned by the person Ive been speaking to - wouldn't be totally alone, my instructor would be on foot just in case. Yard horse is at is VERY private which is why we met on neutral ground as YO wont allow strangers in.
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Having seen this maybe they should move the horse to a different yard to sell it, if the YO will not allow anyone in it is going to restrict people from having a trial, I like to see a horse in its home that can tell you a lot about it, it may be very different away sometimes they are better, sometimes worse but rarely the same, it still doesn't explain why you have to hack accompanied by the YO.
 
The thing that would concern me is that I hack out alone - and if I couldn't trial a horse hacking out on its own how would I know that it would?

Understand trial not being allowed

I will be honest, as someone who is currently looking and prepared to spend decent money, I would expect to be accommodated on everything you have asked for bar the trial

The only hacking out in company would be a very big issue for me
 
TBH, it sounds to me as if the YO has far too much input into this sale. If it's not her horse, I can't see why her opinion matters to the seller. I wonder if she is deliberately making it difficult for the seller to actually sell the horse. I think I would ring the seller for a bit of plain speaking.
 
Op, insist on hacking alone and suggest owner follows you in a car.

A traffic shy horse is a non starter for most people.
 
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I think I would ring the seller for a bit of plain speaking.
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I would second that - really clearly explain to the seller why you need to be able to hack the horse out alone before you buy and see how she responds then go from there.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
TBH, it sounds to me as if the YO has far too much input into this sale. If it's not her horse, I can't see why her opinion matters to the seller. I wonder if she is deliberately making it difficult for the seller to actually sell the horse. I think I would ring the seller for a bit of plain speaking.
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My thoughts too, from your post it sounds as if the YO is far too involved in the sale. I can understand her advising against a trial, but as for the hacking alone...? Can you give the seller a call just to discuss your thoughts, obviously if you need to hack the horse alone then you can't just take the owners word for it and believe that the horse is fantastic in traffic etc, you need to take it out and see for yourself how it reacts to its surroundings - can the owner (or even YO if she is so concerned!) possibly follow on foot behind just to supervise but not interfere? Also can't understand why YO is so against you having a lesson, surely it's just showing that you're seriously considering the horse & not a timewaster.... How strange.
 
Hmm.... you are right OP, you can't buy this horse without trying it on a solo hack. All sorts can be revealed by that! Even if your RI comes, it isn't quite the same as going solo as many horses take a lot of comfort from people on the ground. Mind you you need to be safe! You probably won't have to go very far off the yard to see if you get napping and dangerous behaviour. For this, too, I would really want to ride it off its own yard, as this will be going away from home and is the most worrying bit. Really sorry to say this, but if this YO doesn't butt out I would not be going any further with the horse. Do hope you get something sorted.
 
I went to view horse with friend. They decided to buy, paying full asking price. Left message at yard where horse was on sales livery as instructed by owner. Got call from owner next day to say horse sold that morning to sales yard. When told we had left message day before she was genuinley shocked and very apologetic. Yard wanted as much livery money as poss, then did dirty on sale.
 
I would be a bit sus too. My mare can nap (quite dramatically) but she only does it in a certain situation at home. We've done about 100km of hacking from the horse box and it has never occurred. So I would insist on getting to hack her off the yard yourself or forget the sale. They may just be bonkers or they may be hiding something. Did you see the post in CR Freya did, I thought that horse sounded like what you want.
 
Im sorry OP but I dont think I would touch this hirse with a barge pole unless you can do some serious straight talking with the owner. The whole thing would make me VERY uncomfortable to be honest. You dont buy a car without a test drive so why a horse?? I dont understand xx
 
I'm afraid I would run a mile if I had to view the horse on 'mutual ground' It would be a non starter espeshally not being able to hack out alone or have my RI come along and have a short session at the yard to see if it's a good fit.

Either the YO is bonkers and can't keep their nose out or there is something more sinister with this horse.

Maybe there is something wrong with the yard to make the YO not want anyone stepping foot onto the yard?
 
It all seems a bit odd on the face of it but I think you can probably get around most of it. How close is the yard to a public road? Can the owner not ride the horse off the yard and onto public land and then you switch and you take the horse for a quick ride around the block?

The trial I understand YO not allowing.

The lesson I might be able to understand if YO doesn't have insurance for an outside trainer to come in. Can you not take the horse back to the neutral venue to have a quick lesson with your trainer?

If the horse seems perfect for you then I'd do a bit of pandering to get to where you want to get to with this horse.
 
All seems a little odd? agree would contact seller, how does she expect to sell if horse cannot be hacked off the yard? can understand the trial but nothing else,whatever happens would get a full vetting especially as you said horse not cheap.
 
Spring Feather said:
It all seems a bit odd on the face of it but I think you can probably get around most of it. How close is the yard to a public road? Can the owner not ride the horse off the yard and onto public land and then you switch and you take the horse for a quick ride around the block?

The trial I understand YO not allowing.

The lesson I might be able to understand if YO doesn't have insurance for an outside trainer to come in. Can you not take the horse back to the neutral venue to have a quick lesson with your trainer?

If the horse seems perfect for you then I'd do a bit of pandering to get to where you want to get to with this horse.
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I second this. I wouldn't want a horse going off on trial, I wouldn't want someone I don't know just going off on my horse unless I knew they rode really well. I can kind of see that some YOs don't want lots of people coming and going to their yard - I was a bit like that after we had all our tack stolen. But the seller needs to find some solutions, like taking the horse to neutral ground for you to have a lesson on..
 
I really don't see what business this is of the YO?! Far too many yard owners seem to have far too much say about liveried horses!

Personally, I totally understand the trial rejection (I have learnt the bad way and would also never agree to this). With regard to hacking out alone, hmmm I have allowed this in the past but ONLY down the road as far as I can see them, if they want to go further then Im afraid Id go with them, even if it was just on foot following behind at a distance - its a huge risk to just let a complete stranger ride off into the sunset on your horse! She has no idea what you're like as a rider (or person), you could beat the horse up etc. There's also the fear that you could steal the horse! She has no idea. I do find the lesson thing odd though as that's closely monitored so don't really see the issue with that.
 
Have I missed something?
It's not the YO's horse, is it? I don't see why she cares or not if horse goes off on trial,or off out hacking? Isnt that the owner's responsibility?
 
late update but happy to report seller has come around and having lesson , hacking out alone ( instructor on foot) next wk. Laid down what I needed to do in order to consider horse and all good now.
 
I said that I had no issue with the No trial part of it... Owner has seen me ride, when I tried the horse out earlier in the week at neutral venue.. YO is high profile hense the reluctance with certain things but seller has now realised that Im very keen on horse but need to tick a couple more boxes before vetting & making an offer:)

MagicMelon said:
I really don't see what business this is of the YO?! Far too many yard owners seem to have far too much say about liveried horses!

Personally, I totally understand the trial rejection (I have learnt the bad way and would also never agree to this). With regard to hacking out alone, hmmm I have allowed this in the past but ONLY down the road as far as I can see them, if they want to go further then Im afraid Id go with them, even if it was just on foot following behind at a distance - its a huge risk to just let a complete stranger ride off into the sunset on your horse! She has no idea what you're like as a rider (or person), you could beat the horse up etc. There's also the fear that you could steal the horse! She has no idea. I do find the lesson thing odd though as that's closely monitored so don't really see the issue with that.
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