Virtually uncatchable pony, help help help

Hi elsiecat :)
I've just had a look at the photos you posted of her. She's gorgeous :D.
How old is she, and although I see that she has been ridden in the past, do you know whether she ever lived in the New Forest, like the "wild" ponies ?

It sounds like she might be lacking in confidence after just moving to a new home.
PLUS, you said in your photo thread, that she had previously had a ligament injury. Do you know if she was on box rest at all with her injury ?

So, with a possible loss of confidence with her move, and a previous injury which might have needed box rest, she could be wary of being caught incase she is cooped up in a stable or moved to a strange place again. Some horses/ponies take a while to build up a trust in their new owner. They can take a knock to their confidence after being sold and losing their old owners/fieldmates.

With regards to catching her, my own New Forest filly lived "wild" on the forest from birth until 2 years old. The commoners who bred her do go out regularly to check on their forest running ponies....and take FEED with them. Their ponies know "this person has food in a bag", and so recognise and walk up to their breeder. My pony was used to seeing her dam getting a handful of feed on the ground, and after weaning, she too was given a handful of feed on the ground while running on the forest, whenever her breeder wanted to check her. She had never been "caught" though with a headcollar and leadrope.
I bought my filly 5 days before her second birthday. Her breeder had brought her in off the forest 3 weeks before that. They would have used feed and a rope halter, and a few helpers to catch my pony, then lead/herd her into their stock trailer. She then had a headcollar put on, and left on to begin with, once she was in her breeder's securely fenced (6 foot high solid fencing) pen within their fields. Callie was then handled daily until I went down to buy her.
Once I got her home, I kept her in for the first few days, taking time to handle her and take her for walks. Once I turned her out, I left a fieldsafe headcollar on her in the field for the first month.
I still can't catch her in the "conventional" way, i.e. walk up to pony, stand by her side and put her headcollar on. If I try to do it this way, she gets scared and runs off, even if I just try puting the rope around her neck first !
I take feed (high fibre cubes) out with me, in my pocket. I started at first by puting the cubes in a rustly bag and puting some on the ground for her (as her breeder did). I'd get her to follow me to the gate by puting food down in a trail. Once at the gate, I was able to catch her.
To get a headcollar on her, I have to stand in front of her (facing her), give her a few cubes, then gently slip the headcollar on NOSE FIRST. Slowly moving my hands up the sides of her face, I can then put the headpiece behind her ears and fasten it.
She comes to call in the field (100 acres !), and won't leave my side, but I can't put a headcollar on in the normal way.

I hope any of this helps :).
 
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New home nice food why would she want to be caught..!

I would bring the other in and when you can get her in make the area a lot smaller that they are out on especially if the grass is good. I would never chase a horse around.

Can you get a rope over her neck when you get near her? as you say she is a dream once you have your hands on her.

I agree to bring her in for a short time ie with the other one, feed her something in a trug and stick her back out onto less grazing etc. But you can then swap around ie catch her first and then the other.

But you will have to see what works for you. I think the thing is to associate you with something nice ie food. I dont like horses that stick their bums to you so I would ignore this and go and do something else ie clean the water out, she may be nosey enough to come up to you,

At least its not the middle of winter and you have some good long days to sort her out.

Good luck we had a pony uncatchable for 3 months and normally he was blooming good boy!!Lush grass..little b,,,,,,ger
 
LittleWildOne, I didn't even consider the ligament/box rest aspect. May'be she is afraid of being put back onto box rest, it'd help explain why she's so nervous of being caught! Thanks for all your information :D

PS. 100 acres!????? HOW DOES SHE HEAR YOU SHOUTING!? :eek:
 
New home nice food why would she want to be caught..!

I would bring the other in and when you can get her in make the area a lot smaller that they are out on especially if the grass is good. I would never chase a horse around.

Can you get a rope over her neck when you get near her? as you say she is a dream once you have your hands on her.

I agree to bring her in for a short time ie with the other one, feed her something in a trug and stick her back out onto less grazing etc. But you can then swap around ie catch her first and then the other.

But you will have to see what works for you. I think the thing is to associate you with something nice ie food. I dont like horses that stick their bums to you so I would ignore this and go and do something else ie clean the water out, she may be nosey enough to come up to you,

At least its not the middle of winter and you have some good long days to sort her out.

Good luck we had a pony uncatchable for 3 months and normally he was blooming good boy!!Lush grass..little b,,,,,,ger

As soon as I try the rope over neck, she is off! Once the leadrope is clipped on and she knows the game is over, that is when she is perfect :o
The grass is really lush (as is the hedge judging from them!!!) which won't be helping her non-desire to get caught!

She's out all night tonight (unrugged) as she wouldn't let me catch her even though I tried for ages before, I'm hoping in the morning when she's hopefully 'had enough' I'll seem slightly more attractive to her :rolleyes:
 
LittleWildOne, I didn't even consider the ligament/box rest aspect. May'be she is afraid of being put back onto box rest, it'd help explain why she's so nervous of being caught! Thanks for all your information :D

PS. 100 acres!????? HOW DOES SHE HEAR YOU SHOUTING!? :eek:

New Forest ponies, especially mares, are very intelligent and don't ever forget anything. They have evolved to be like this to survive on the forest ;).

If Susie HAS been confined on box rest, she will remember the pain of her injury and the stress of being confined in a stable for however long it took.

As for Callie, I usually walk to the yard from my house. A mile along the road, down the edge of 1 field and into the local country park. Through the CP, over the fence and into my pony's field. Whenever she sees me walking through her field, she comes trotting over. If she hasn't seen me, once I get closer I shout her name and she comes trotting over :cool:.
She has recently started bringing her nervous, hard to catch 3 best friends with her.
On my way home, I go back via her field. If I've had her in, I'll take her out to the field then head straight home. I take her headcollar off at the gate, but instead of trotting/cantering away to her friends, she stays with me as I walk through the field. She tries to follow me all the way, so I always have to take her back (no headcollar) to the herd and tell her to stay. Her scaredy friends started following me too the other day :eek: :D.
 
Leave headcollar on. Hold rope clip in one hand, let rope dangle. Have treats in other hand and hold it half way between wrist and elbow of rope hand. As she comes past rope for food, clip it on.
 
New Forest ponies, especially mares, are very intelligent and don't ever forget anything. They have evolved to be like this to survive on the forest ;).

If Susie HAS been confined on box rest, she will remember the pain of her injury and the stress of being confined in a stable for however long it took.

As for Callie, I usually walk to the yard from my house. A mile along the road, down the edge of 1 field and into the local country park. Through the CP, over the fence and into my pony's field. Whenever she sees me walking through her field, she comes trotting over. If she hasn't seen me, once I get closer I shout her name and she comes trotting over :cool:.
She has recently started bringing her nervous, hard to catch 3 best friends with her.
On my way home, I go back via her field. If I've had her in, I'll take her out to the field then head straight home. I take her headcollar off at the gate, but instead of trotting/cantering away to her friends, she stays with me as I walk through the field. She tries to follow me all the way, so I always have to take her back (no headcollar) to the herd and tell her to stay. Her scaredy friends started following me too the other day :eek: :D.

Awww bless her! Foxys like that, just not Susie :mad: I wouldn't like either of them getting their fly mask off in an 100 acre field!! You'd never ever ever find it!
 
Leave headcollar on. Hold rope clip in one hand, let rope dangle. Have treats in other hand and hold it half way between wrist and elbow of rope hand. As she comes past rope for food, clip it on.

Just had to act this out to understand what youre saying :p
I will try this, might hopefully outwit her :p
 
I had a horse that would jump into next door at the sound of the back door. It took 3 weeks to catch him, 60ft rope attached to his headcolar after that, and feeding him something EVERY time he was caught. 3 weeks later, he used to trot up to me when i opened the back door. FEED (and running) is the way to go, I promise!!!!
 
If grass is lush I would definitely electric fence off and am sure that will help you catch her. Good luck. Frustrating though
 
With respect to her turning her back on you, if you back off she has won with the threat, I tend to say [in a schoolteacher way], "now that is NOT acceptable", don't go nearer but don't back off, I have only been kicked once, and that was because I ignored the threat [never realised it was going on], and went closer. Not H&S, but practical pony handling.
 
With respect to her turning her back on you, if you back off she has won with the threat, I tend to say [in a schoolteacher way], "now that is NOT acceptable", don't go nearer but don't back off, I have only been kicked once, and that was because I ignored the threat [never realised it was going on], and went closer. Not H&S, but practical pony handling.

I'll try that, my usual telling off is 'SHAPE YOURSELF' maybe if she gets one of those when she tries it she'll understand :p

And with the long rope to headcollar thing, I'd be worried she'd trip on it and break her leg!?:eek:
 
If grass is lush I would definitely electric fence off and am sure that will help you catch her. Good luck. Frustrating though

Its all fenced off but just not got the electric attatchment. My mare respects boundaries so I've never had a need to buy an energiser. Looks like yet another possible expense as this morning I've woke up and Susies on the other side of the fence. GREAT, LOOSE IN 3 ACRES :mad:
 
No help, but you've just reminded me of the great pony catching expedition of 199something
49 acres, multiple horses and one very large grey who needed to move home, took 4 days, 6 helpers , several miles of electrical tape to finally get him into a small enough pen to get the little git.
I think his owner seriously considered never ever turningnhim out again :D
 
No help, but you've just reminded me of the great pony catching expedition of 199something
49 acres, multiple horses and one very large grey who needed to move home, took 4 days, 6 helpers , several miles of electrical tape to finally get him into a small enough pen to get the little git.
I think his owner seriously considered never ever turningnhim out again :D

Jesus! That would BE IT. Lunge on a leadrope once a week if he was lucky after that! :D
 
The last pony I had (a friends) was like this. I could get near but as soon as I tried to reach out to him, he'd move away quickly. I learnt to arrive in the field and totally ignore him, so I'd walk past him and stop near him but pretend to pick grass or play with the fence or something - he then decided that what I was doing must have been quite interesting so he'd come over to have a look and be more than happy for me to catch him! Occassionally he wouldnt come over but he'd always stand and watch me, so Id just edge closer pretending Im picking up bits of grass until I got near his side, then Id give him a good scratch and he'd allow me to catch him.
 
The last pony I had (a friends) was like this. I could get near but as soon as I tried to reach out to him, he'd move away quickly. I learnt to arrive in the field and totally ignore him, so I'd walk past him and stop near him but pretend to pick grass or play with the fence or something - he then decided that what I was doing must have been quite interesting so he'd come over to have a look and be more than happy for me to catch him! Occassionally he wouldnt come over but he'd always stand and watch me, so Id just edge closer pretending Im picking up bits of grass until I got near his side, then Id give him a good scratch and he'd allow me to catch him.
I tend to walk backwards and they are a bit confused, so you get a chance of looping a leadrope over the neck.
Never look them in the eye, keep your head down.
 
I tried the chasing thing today, and I swang the leadrope to make her move off everytime she swang her back end round. 15 maybe 20 minutes later, she gave in and just stood there. She didn't even move her head when I went to clip the leadrope on! Going to keep that up, I'm sure in the end she'll just know whats coming every day :D
 
Sounds like a trust issue to me. My mare was a bit like this to begin with but I got friendly with loads of carrotts and fed all the other horses! Keep that headcollar on though!
 
Sounds like a trust issue to me. My mare was a bit like this to begin with but I got friendly with loads of carrotts and fed all the other horses! Keep that headcollar on though!

It looks like the headcollars on her a LOT, you can see the outline of it in parts of her face where its rubbed away a bit of hair. I think shes always been a bit nervous, but we'll get her there. Theres only two horses here whereas she's come from a bigger yard where she might have been bottom of the pecking order!
 
We cured one of our stallions of this in literally hours. We spent about 20 minutes just putting the headcollar on and treating/taking it off and treating, within the 20 minutes he was putting his nose in the headcollar for us. We had sessions like this several times the first day and the second day we did it all again just to make sure he had got the message. He is turned away with the other boys now but can still be caught with absolutely no problem - and he really was a nightmare before this.
 
Dolcé;10996291 said:
We cured one of our stallions of this in literally hours. We spent about 20 minutes just putting the headcollar on and treating/taking it off and treating, within the 20 minutes he was putting his nose in the headcollar for us. We had sessions like this several times the first day and the second day we did it all again just to make sure he had got the message. He is turned away with the other boys now but can still be caught with absolutely no problem - and he really was a nightmare before this.

I might try that in her shelter its the only enclosed space I've got to try it :D
Just been out to catch her again, only had to chase her for 5/10 minutes this time. By the time someone enquires about loaning her, I want to have the catching thing ironed out, as without it, she is the PERFECT childs pony :D
 
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