Walking on stoney ground & stiffness issues!

MagicMelon

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Right - 2 ponies, 2 problems.

Pony no 1 had very serious laminitis about 15 years ago. He's now 20yrs old and (touch wood) with careful management hasn't had it since. He's obviously been more prone to absesses etc. over the years though and used to get about 2 a year although this seems to have gotten better.... Anyway, the pony has always been shod up until now on the advise of our farrier. However recently he has now gone shoe-less and we have him trimmed by a barefoot trimmer. This pony has always been funny on certain ground. Like he hates stoney ground for example, walks carefully on tarmac / cement but is perfectly fine on grass / arena surface. For example, Ive been taking him out for walks a few times a week - he'll walk across the stoney bits VERY carefully and looking extremely sore, he'll even stop sometimes and not want to walk on. But as soon as he hits grass he's 100% sound and away! But if he stands on a stone he will limp like hell for a few strides and then be fine again. I hoped with him being barefoot that the soles of his feet (since they're now in contact with the ground) would harden up and he'd improve with this, but they haven't. Will they? If so, how long does it take and is there anything I should / shouldn't be doing? His hooves are generally in a pretty damn good nick considering and they aren't soft or anything. What do you all think?
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Pony no 2 - Vet said she is slightly athritic in her hind hips (probably due to a kick she had about 10 years ago which left her very very slightly lame ever since) and she also has a confirmation fault where he hind joints dont un-click out of place. ie. the joints which lock when a horse sleeps - they lock up a bit as she walks so you can see her hind legs sort of click as she trots. Its never caused her any problems as she's had this since a foal but this could also encourage athritis. She's 17 by the way. She's also had a few bouts of laminitis (I think she may have cushings) over the past year even though Ive tried my damnest to keep it away. So she's in a very small paddock which she gets bored in and therefore doesnt move about much. She always looks lame in the paddock but as soon as I take her out, she'll be lame for a bit but suddenly have a buck and a kick with excitment and she's loosened herself up and she then jogs everywhere and looks 10 times better. I try to give her exercise daily (in hand or lunge) but am wondering if there's anything I can do to help her stay loosened up in her paddock? BTW, she's on a joint supplement which has helped a lot.
 

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My girl is the same as your pony no.1, she goes very careful on stoney/hard ground, she has always been the same, she is far more comfortable on the grass. All i can say is that they are supposed to toughen up over time once shoeless, but i suppose some may take a long time, and maybe some never get fully comfortable with hard/stoney ground. Sorry of no help there

Have you tried that pernamax stuff for your mare? i have heard wonderous stuff about it, i shall be trying it when my next pay cheque is due for my 17yr old who can get stiff, has slight arthritis in hocks
 

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my TB tiptoes across stony ground, but he is getting better and better with time - I have just invested in a pair of Old Macs as well so that he is more comfortable on stoney ground - my farrier keeps a close eye on his feet and encourages me to stick with the barefoot, just takes some time for them to adjust.
 

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Do you think I should get some Old Macs or Boa's then? Just to use on him for the light hacking he does sometimes? Obviously Id leave them off in the field though so hopefully they'll toughen up still.

HippyNed - Do you ride in your Old Macs? Are they good? I mean do they rub or move etc.?
 

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my pony 7-9 months ago was simalar to what happened with pony no.1, she was bad on hard surfaces and easygoing on soft surface, it turned out she had a bone cyst.
 

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How long was she bad though? And what can be done about a bone cyst?

My ponies been like this ever since he got laminitis which was quite a few years ago now! So it not like a new thing....?
 

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My boy has been barefoot for 2 years now, he can stomp across pretty much any going but will have the odd ouch on a stone. There is a slightly stoney area on the way out of our yard and he will through choice walk on the grass rather than the stones.

I would say you have to be patient, it does take a while for the feet to change shape and harden up.
 

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Ditto to all the advice above. If the pony has only recently gone barefoot, it does take a while before he is likely to look at all comfortable over stony ground. It could be a year or more while his soles toughen up and he builds more concavity. I would definitely get some Old Macs. I used these all last year for leading my horse to and from the field over a stony track. They are very quick and simple to put on and take off once you've done it a few times. You can ride on them, even canter. Make sure you get the right size though by measuring up according to their chart - here ya go:

http://www.easycareinc.com/Our_Boots/old_macs_G2/oldmacsg2_sizing.aspx

Magnesium supplementation is recommended for horses who are prone to laminitis, and to any barefoot horse to help with footiness. It is fed in the form of Calmag (Calcined Magnesite), or Magnesium Oxide, available from feed merchants or ebay.

Regarding the other horse with locking joints, does she have to be in a very small paddock for any reason? Only because there was a horse on our yard who had a locking stifle but he was in a huge field with a herd of geldings and would pelt round it all the time and play mad games with his friends with no ill effects. The leg only locked up after inactivity. What does your vet say?

... and did someone say Pernamax? Brilliant stuff! I've even got some on order for me (the human version) now I've seen what it does for my horse.
 
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