Walking out of a lesson

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Is it a terrible thing to leave a lesson if you don't feel it is right for you? I have just done it and I feel dreadful. Im sorry it's so long, I need to vent and some reassurance that it's not such a bad thing to do (or maybe a slap for being so rude, Im not sure)
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I have regular fortnightly lessons with a lady who I really like, I like her methods and I feel that she has improved my way of riding and P's way of going for me so much. We have worked hard on getting P to soften for me, and have got to the point where I actually feel I can ride her as opposed to just passenger. I can now get P to work in a lovely long, low outline whilst still being nice and forward and light, and I can also get her to work up into the bridle. This hasn't been easy for me but we have really improved. Last week I had a jumping session with my instructor and P was brilliant, really balanced and soft and listening, so buoyed by that I agreed to join a gridwork session being held at my yard with a local person.

I got in and warmed up, concentrating on long, low and soft (as my regular instructor has advised, for the first 10 minutes and last 10 minutes of being in the school), and was told not to work her 'on the bit'. To my mind there is a difference between slopping along on a loose rein and actually encouraging a horse to lower and soften before actually taking up a stronger contact and working it into the bridle(which is what I would call working on the bit), but I did as I was told and dropped any form of contact which immediately meant P was gawping about and concentrating on anything other than work. I was then called in and lectured on my choice of tack. I ride in a hippus loose ring snaffle, which P is happy and relaxed in, and recently a grakle because I hadnt bothered to change it since hunting the other day and also because my instructor advised me to use a flash and I dont like how low my flash sits, so I use a grakle which P seems happy and relaxed in. I do hack in a cavesson usually, if I remember to change my tack. I was told there is no reason to ever use a noseband other than a plain cavesson as the horse needs to lick and chew - I might well be wrong here but P can still move her mouth and chew gently in her noseband and relax her jaw, it just discourages her from yawing and crossing her jaw which she does do - not so much recently but she has moments of it. I tried to defend my choice of tack and failed. I also wear spurs for lessons as she is much more forward off my leg, and I felt that this was also frowned upon. The instructor was more of a natural horsemanship kind of person, and I felt like a bit of a brute!
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The other horses arrived gradually (1/2 an hour late!) and in the end there were 10 or so in the school from a small pony to an ex racehorse who hadn't seen poles before. We then had to trot en masse, with no rein contact at all, then file over trotting poles which were too close for P so she shambled over them/jumped them. The front 3 poles were then put up so that alternate ends were raised, which resulted in even messier shambling due to their extreme closeness, all the time we were being told to trot 'as fast as possible'. All the time P was wired, with no rein contact she was practically inside out the whole time, with her neck practically vertical and her back all tight and horrid, and with all the other horses going all over the place it was hard to see what, if anything, we might achieve - particularly when the grid went up as there wasn't enough space to bounce the fences. So I went over to the instructor, explained that I didn't wish to offend her but that the session wasn't for me, and left.

And now I feel awful.
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Would you have just put up with it and tried to gain something from the lesson, or walked away? Sorry it's so long, I hate offending people and I feel I really have this time.
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Personally I think you have every right to leave, and from what you've said you were polite and not rude....... Not everyone style of teaching suits everyone's style of learning and as the paying customer you are well within your rights to choose not to continue.

If it makes you feel any better my friend has just told her international dressage instructor that she feels she will benefit more from going elsewhere for lessons! She was also worried about offending but decided honesty was the best way forward.

It sounds like you were honest and not rude, good for you.

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Personally I think you did the right thing, if it didnt feel right for your horse or you then rather than risk spoiling what you have achieved with your regular instructor, it was best to do what you did.I would like to think I would have done the same.
 
would have done exactly the same as you
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it can take such a long time to build something up, and can be ruined in minutes so you definatley did the right thing
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It all sounds utterly crackers and I think you did the right thing. I'm not sure I have the confidence to do what you did but I'm certain it was the right thing for you to do!
 
I know I would have done precisely the same. Ok so you do not want to offend people, but you primarily have a duty towards your horse and if you felt she was not benefitting from the lesson (and she clearly wasn't) it would have been wrong to continue, because you would have really risked spoiling this positive training phase you've been enjoying recently.

You weren't rude because you didn't leave the arena insulting the trainer; you went to him and explained how you felt! Nobody would consider that rude.

Also, to be honest, I have never known a trainer change the way you warm up the first time they see you. They should just observe, after all you know your horse much better than they do.
 
no i think you did the right thing, so long as you were polite about it i dont see a problem.
sounds like you have worked very hard to get P working the way you like her to and obviously you know her best , i wouldnt have taken kindly to being lectured on my choice of tack or the fact i use spurs.
I guess some instructors just like to do things their own way and her's was not right for you.
I also hate offending people and i hate confrontation but i think i might have done the same in this case. cheer up x
 
What a farce. I have wanted to walk out of lessons before but not had the courage of my convictions.
Just a pity you presumably had to pay.
 
I'd have left. If for no other reason that I wouldn't want my horse, who had been working so well, to be put in that situation.

Don't worry about appearing rude - unless you actually said that the lesson was rubbish and you were leaving because of it, which I now you wouldn't have done.
 
I think I would have left too tbh, if you're not enjoying it, and don't feel that its being helpful for your horse, and you have an instructor who you like and respect then I think leaving is the best option. You are the customer, and the customer is always right remember.

My friend walked out of a lesson the other day, the male instructor imo, is quite hard and can be unreasonable, but is well known and for some reason respected locally. He made my friend lunge her horse (as he was lively) her rising 4yo for an hour and a half. He then said she could get on, and she walked out. I wouldn't never lunge my horse for longer than 30 mins, and can't believe my friend carried on for so long tbh
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No you did exactly the right thing and it sounds as though you were polite when you left the lesson.If it wasn't suitable and if the group situation was exciting your horse and undoing all the progress you have made with your regular instructor then your reaction was the right one
 
TBH I hate group lessons or sharing schools. An instructor cannot effectively teach more than 4 to my mind, and even so the attention suffers

So from what you describe, I'd have walked when the 5th person arrived not the 10th

You have to bear in mind, especially at the lower level of instructors, they often feel they have something to prove, or have very fixed views. I would listen to suggestions for change only at the end of the session, not before seeing the horse work.

On the other hand I know more about bits than most instructors and I had my bit made for my horse (one off, but now going into production!). However does bug me when the dressage trainers want to tighten my very loose cavesson (its the double bridle use in them that makes them want to jam the jaw shut...). However quickly solved by turning up without a noseband in future sessions!
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So chose an instructor that suits you, but make sure you are not going to one that always says things you want to hear, as they won't help you meet your goals!
 
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What a farce. I have wanted to walk out of lessons before but not had the courage of my convictions.
Just a pity you presumably had to pay.

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Actually to my eternal shame I didn't pay either! Although if she mentions it I may do but Im not paying the full amount!
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that sounds horrendous!
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i hope you didn't pay for that...how ridiculous! this is why i am careful about clinics and things that i go to and i get really annoyed if in one session someone is trying to undo all of your hardwrok...now i know you are there to learn but you aren't going to be able to change everything in one short session. i don't think i have ever walked out (instead i've sat and moaned under my breath- don't have the guts to walk out
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) but i have completely ignored the person giving the lesson and done my own thing on several occasions. have also refused to jump certain jumps if i haven't been happy with them...
 
I think you honestly did the brave and right thing to do!! Imagine the post-lesson report you could be writing if you had seen the whole thing through?! It could have undone months of hard work with your regular instructor!!

Good choice and well handled- well done you
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TBH I hate group lessons or sharing schools. An instructor cannot effectively teach more than 4 to my mind, and even so the attention suffers

So from what you describe, I'd have walked when the 5th person arrived not the 10th

You have to bear in mind, especially at the lower level of instructors, they often feel they have something to prove, or have very fixed views. I would listen to suggestions for change only at the end of the session, not before seeing the horse work.

On the other hand I know more about bits than most instructors and I had my bit made for my horse (one off, but now going into production!). However does bug me when the dressage trainers want to tighten my very loose cavesson (its the double bridle use in them that makes them want to jam the jaw shut...). However quickly solved by turning up without a noseband in future sessions!
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So chose an instructor that suits you, but make sure you are not going to one that always says things you want to hear, as they won't help you meet your goals!

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Im happy to share a school, and Im not adverse to sharing lessons, we had some fantastic coaching at a camp once with several horses per session. I think perhaps 10 or so horses is slight overkill though, in such a small school.

My regular instructor is fab, she is positive without dressing it up, she won't say what she thinks I want to hjear and she seems to understand what I want to achieve, and just how hard to push me (I do need pushing!). I just thought that there is something to be learnt from everyone, so thought Id join in this other lesson. It just wasn't for me - sadly the other people are all local and now I fear I may be ostracised. I dont want people to think that I hold myself in high esteem or anything, or think Im better than anyone else, but equally I do not see the point in carrying on when it clearly wasn't working for me. Perhaps I worry too much.
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Well I suppose I can see it from both sides really. When I am teaching I quite often question people's tack choices
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but if they can tell me why they are using something I will usually go along with it, or suggest we try without for a few minutes. I will always change the fit of something if it is completely wrong
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Also when teaching it is very difficult if someone simply won't try something you are asking them to do, or looks at you as though you have two heads when you tell them something
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Having said that, I always explain WHY I am asking them to do whatever, so they know there is method there. Nobody has walked out of one of my lessons yet
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From the other side of the coin, there are a lot of people, some of them very well known, who I will NEVER go back to for a lesson
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but I have never walked out of one. I did leave a well known SJ trainer's clinic before the end once, (after she had reduced me to tears) but only because she gave us all the choice and we had done plenty by then anyway. I never went back to her because for all her great reputation as a trainer, I have no respect for someone who habitually has a "favourite" and a "person to pick on" in any group - totally unprofessional way to teach imho
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A few years ago I had a series of lessons with a very well respected FBHS, who told me to do things with my horse which really went against everything I had been told by my regular trainer, also a FBHS. When the regular guy next saw me riding, he was utterly furious
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and told me I knew enough not to have put up with the other guy and I should not have gone back after the first lesson
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So no, if you were really unhappy, the instructor wasn't making it clear WHY she was doing what she was doing, and it went against everything that you felt was right/had learnt from your regular instructor, then you have every right to leave and I wouldn't worry about it at all
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Don't think like that - think of yourself as a rebel leader and maybe the others will see sense and instead you may have given locals impetus to revolt!

Most instructors would not consider attempting to teach a group size bigger than 4, as otherwise they simply cannot teach effectively!

Out of interest how much was this 10 person session supposed to cost??
 
Haven't read anyone else's replies yet - too blooming cross for you (or should that be spitting feathers) crikey a grackle and spurs hardly makes you the crueliest rider on the planet! LOL!
I would've walked too - I think you did better than me as I would've ignored her and continued to have P working over her back than hollow and worried!
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Don't think about it - you did what was right!
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I would say you did the right thing, at least you explained that you were leaving, from your title for a horrible moment I imagined you just stomping off!!!
I have also left a group lesson (at Pony Club) I was about 12 or 13 and I had a JA pony who had been there done it got the t-shirt and the chap 'teaching' us was using my pony to make himself look good to the watching parents. I got very cross because we were doing 3 x as much jumping as the others when we really didn't need to do half as much.
I asked to be excused and left the session. I was suspended from the PC for putting my pony first.
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I would do exactly the same in your shoes, and as for the tack choice, I keep an open mind and always offer to try something for 5 or 10 minutes, if it doesn't work then carry on as before.
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You did the right thing, for your horse and yourself. Wish i'd been brave enough to do that in the past.
Imho it wasn't going to get any better either, and trying to do gridwork with so many, of diff sizes and abilities, would prob end disastrously...
 
I would have done exactly the same, you apologised and if asked you are happy to pay a portion of the cost so I don't see the issue.

I agree with the above even at PC now the limit is 4 to a group with occasionally 5/6 at camp that said some instructors request no bigger than groups of 3
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You did the right thing! I once took Catembi for a one-off lesson as I wanted to practice 'indoor-cross country' type jumps as I had an arena eventer trial coming up.

Cat was very strong jumping, & we kept on & on jumping the same jumps on the long diag, & he got stronger & stronger & more & more loopy. I should have called a halt far sooner, but eventually I did when we were s'posed to be jumping a wingless skinny, & by then he was away with the fairies & I had no steering.

He kept running past & when I got off, she was furious with me for letting him 'get away' with it. His brain had completely gone tho so it was pointless.

So I then had 17hh of very loopy & upset ISH to try & sort out with my regular trainer in the couple of weeks before the eventer trial.

Really wish I'd called a halt earlier on, as you did.
 
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I have also left a group lesson (at Pony Club) ...
I asked to be excused and left the session. I was suspended from the PC for putting my pony first.
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Well FA2 that sounds typical UK Pony Club - doesn't surprise me at all
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I;ve never done it, but I've thought it.

I do wish I'd stood up to instructors before. I had one who cranked my noseband tighter and tighter, then when it wouldn't go tighter, added a flash and tightened that. My girl goes best with a v loose cavasson or no noseband at all, she was thoroughly upset by it all, and I didn't say anthing because I just thought at 15, an adult knew better than me.
 
that ''lesson'' sounds a load of rubbish! well done on you for leaving! i would have done the same thing!

it takes a long time to build something, and you had finally got your horse going how you wanted, but it can be easily ruined in minutes - so its a good thing you left the lesson! xx
 
you know your horse better than anyone and theres no point ruining all your previous hard work.put it down to experience.and dont worry about it,sounds like there were far too many in the class as well
 
what i wouldve done would have been to take up the contact as much or as little as i wanted n trotted my pony out of the arena, which is far too full to be of any use to man nor beast all trotting round barely able to move!!!!!!!
 
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