Weedkilers

tessah · 6 October 2016

Does anybody know if there is any weed killer available to buy which is not round up and which does not need a licence?
Would like something to spot spray ragwort, docks, buttercups, dandelions, some thistles.

I have a serious weed problem...not in all fields luckily. Just need to improve this situation.

Trying to think ahead for spring.

TIA

Ddraig_wen · 6 October 2016

We used resolva 24 this year on the ragwort and assorted weeds in the medium field. It did the trick very well

Magicmadge · 6 October 2016

If you don't want to kill the grass too then I use a mixture of thrust and halo . Did everything and best thing I've ever used for buttercup

JillA · 6 October 2016

Not sure which of these are still available without a licence but tells you what product for what weeds. MCPA (Spear) is fine for ragwort, docks and thistles, but only gives buttercups a nasty fright. For them the only thing I found that works is RelayP (or Pastoral) which also contains mecaprop and dicambar but is now restricted. Even then you need to spray every three years or so, they have underground rhizomes so keep coming back. If you can find a local agronomist they will advise - I am waiting for mine to come up with something else for buttercups.

Magicmadge · 6 October 2016

Agronomist advised me for a mixture of halo / thrust did really well on a multitude of well established weeds on my very old pasture . Will do again in spring and re seed where needed my paddock is looking better than ever this year . Buttercup has been hit hard .

JillA · 6 October 2016

Magicmadge said:
Agronomist advised me for a mixture of halo / thrust did really well on a multitude of well established weeds on my very old pasture . Will do again in spring and re seed where needed my paddock is looking better than ever this year . Buttercup has been hit hard .

What are the active ingredients in those two?

Back with a bang · 6 October 2016

Headland polo did a lovely job on our fields, gets rid of all the weeds and the grass has flourished. We spray it on our corn too.

Magicmadge · 6 October 2016

Woops sorry hurler and thrust not halo !!!!

Llanali · 6 October 2016

Thrust appears to have worked well for us too, it's been on 9 days and the weeds are looking decidedly ill!

tessah · 8 October 2016

Ddraig_wen said:
We used resolva 24 this year on the ragwort and assorted weeds in the medium field. It did the trick very well

Thank you but I believe this has glyop stuff in same as roundup?

tessah · 8 October 2016

Magicmadge said:
If you don't want to kill the grass too then I use a mixture of thrust and halo . Did everything and best thing I've ever used for buttercup

Hi did you buy without a licence? If yes where can I get and did you use a knapsack?

tessah · 8 October 2016

Back with a bang said:
Headland polo did a lovely job on our fields, gets rid of all the weeds and the grass has flourished. We spray it on our corn too.

And another thank you did you buy without licence? If yes where from and can you use a knapsack? For spot spraying?

tessah · 8 October 2016

Thank you to you all but as far as I can see you must have a licence to buy these products and so I am struggling to find anything I can buy and use without a licence is there any way to solve this?

Rollin · 8 October 2016

Licence? I think this is a racket. I did all our spraying in Scotland and had advice as to what to use for which weed. I used a knapsack sprayer to spot spray.

Last year my O/H who speaks better French than me, attended a course and has a licence. When I ask which chemical for which weed, last year buttercup was a problem, he hasn't a scooby do. The course was all about handling and storage of chemicals.

This makes me very angry. Spot spraying properly is much better than poisoning the soil year after year and if the training does not deal with what is MOST effective, then blanket spraying is what happens.

OP see if you can get on a course, hopefully better than those run in France!!

JillA · 8 October 2016

Rollin said:
OP see if you can get on a course, hopefully better than those run in France!!

I looked into it and the course, done by agricultural colleges who as we know are a business not a service, costs hundreds of ££££s

Polos Mum · 8 October 2016

If it's small ish spaces I've been buying up the supermarket sale garden bottles of lawn weedkiller (there are three of four different brands) £3 for a bottle and walking up and down the field I've done about 2 bottles an acre (not the most time efficient but therapeutic)

This time of year isn't best you need to do it when they are growing rapidly - our v v knowledgeable old next door neighbour swore by "spray in May stay away, spray in June be back soon" and he's right.

I like a mixture of agritox and depitox, grazon personally I found useless (but often it's the application not the stuff that's at fault!)

You can buy them all here without a licence https://www.pitchcare.com/shop/professional-weed-killer-for-paddocks/index.html

Llanali · 8 October 2016

You can buy them online anywhere with out a license, they just have a caveat that a license is required to use them. Pitchcare or agrigem is where I get it.

Honestly though, it may be cheaper to just pay someone. There's a bloke here who if you pay him £35-50 he will use the chemicals you provide with his quad and boom and do your paddock. That's what my neighbour paid him for about 2 acres anyway.

Dry Rot · 8 October 2016

These days you need licences for everything and must go on their courses. It is indeed a scam. You need a licence to use rat poison, spray a field, snare a rabbit or a fox...etc., etc.

Running these courses is a nice little earner for the 'good ole boys'. All you need to join is a special handshake! We need another revolution and a guillotine to thin 'em out a bit.

tessah · 8 October 2016

Thank you everyone the agrochem site is quite useful. Think I will order some thrust ready for the spring. The licence stuff really I suppose says for professional use and this is personal use as I am not being paid or paying anybody for a job and that is what I assume professional use means??

popsdosh · 8 October 2016

tessah said:
Thank you everyone the agrochem site is quite useful. Think I will order some thrust ready for the spring. The licence stuff really I suppose says for professional use and this is personal use as I am not being paid or paying anybody for a job and that is what I assume professional use means??

No professional use means it can only be used by professionals sorry there will be very little of any use that you can buy without the certificates. If im honest about time to. The certificates are all about safety and environmental protection and not as somebody else eluded too knowing what to put on various weeds . Its about time the splash it and see amateurs were brought into line with others knapsacks are notoriously the most inaccurate application method were as farmers work down to an accuracy of 1L/ha

tessah · 8 October 2016

popsdosh said:
No professional use means it can only be used by professionals sorry there will be very little of any use that you can buy without the certificates. If im honest about time to. The certificates are all about safety and environmental protection and not as somebody else eluded too knowing what to put on various weeds . Its about time the splash it and see amateurs were brought into line with others knapsacks are notoriously the most inaccurate application method were as farmers work down to an accuracy of 1L/ha

That's all well and good if there is a viable alternative of which there s only roundup which is imo far worse and I won't use it. And the grazing has been previously neglected.

I have bust my back this year digging and digging ragwort which i am still doing and I have little grass now in one field and only weeds I hate to use chemicals of any sort and have tried my best without but to no avail. My family have bees and I hate the thought of destroying beneficial insects and damaging the environment. So believe me this is not a decision I take lightly. I have also tried to outgrow the weeds by overseeding with native horse friendly traditional grass seed together with horse friendly herbs and horse friendly flowers as I want to improve the land.

Tiddlypom · 8 October 2016

You can still use chemical herbical sprays on your land, but they now have to be applied by a certificated person.
I've got a great local guy who comes out with his quad and spray equipment. His charges are very reasonable, and he does my 7 acres in no time.

popsdosh · 9 October 2016

tessah said:
That's all well and good if there is a viable alternative of which there s only roundup which is imo far worse and I won't use it. And the grazing has been previously neglected.

I have bust my back this year digging and digging ragwort which i am still doing and I have little grass now in one field and only weeds I hate to use chemicals of any sort and have tried my best without but to no avail. My family have bees and I hate the thought of destroying beneficial insects and damaging the environment. So believe me this is not a decision I take lightly. I have also tried to outgrow the weeds by overseeding with native horse friendly traditional grass seed together with horse friendly herbs and horse friendly flowers as I want to improve the land.

How is roundup a viable alternative as you need cert to apply that unless you buy amateur use products that are reduced strength. Us farmers dont like destroying bees ! so thats why we have to be certificated to apply any chemicals and whoops I nearl;y said certified but thats just to be a farmer.

popsdosh · 9 October 2016

Tiddlypom said:
You can still use chemical herbical sprays on your land, but they now have to be applied by a certificated person.
I've got a great local guy who comes out with his quad and spray equipment. His charges are very reasonable, and he does my 7 acres in no time.

Totally agree get somebody in who knows what their doing ,I would help if close by as I have full 'Basis' qualifications

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