Welcome to HHO Towing Clinic

[ROG]

Apart from the Bateson Derby you are looking for a single horse trailer which is max 750 empty

 

[I don’t like mondays]

Too heavy

Ok. Thanks for all of your help 😊

 

[amycamycamyc]

Hi ROG, please can I have your expert blessing for the following combination...?

- B driving licence only
- Ford Kuga (2019 1.5 ecoboost zetec 2WD badge power 150hp)
- GWM: 2100, gross train mass: 4100, kerb weight: 1579, mass towable mass: 2000 (https://media.ford.com/content/dam/.../Kuga/FordKuga_TechnicalSpecifications_EU.pdf)

- Trailer: Cheval Liberte Touring One trailer, unladen weight 745kg, downrated to 1400kg
- Horse: 650kg on a bad day without breathing in

I think this is ok....

Praying it is!
Thanks very much in advance!

 

[ROG]

Hi ROG, please can I have your expert blessing for the following combination...?

- B driving licence only
- Ford Kuga (2019 1.5 ecoboost zetec 2WD badge power 150hp)
- GWM: 2100, gross train mass: 4100, kerb weight: 1579, mass towable mass: 2000 (https://media.ford.com/content/dam/.../Kuga/FordKuga_TechnicalSpecifications_EU.pdf)

- Trailer: Cheval Liberte Touring One trailer, unladen weight 745kg, downrated to 1400kg
- Horse: 650kg on a bad day without breathing in

I think this is ok....

Praying it is!
Thanks very much in advance!

2100 + 1400 = 3500 so YES YES YES on a B licence
Horse 650 + empty trailer 745 = 1395 so only 5 to spare = very very close so perhaps a trip when loaded to a weigh bridge ?

 

[amycamycamyc]

2100 + 1400 = 3500 so YES YES YES on a B licence
Horse 650 + empty trailer 745 = 1395 so only 5 to spare = very very close so perhaps a trip when loaded to a weigh bridge ?

Great, thanks ROG!

Yes a trip to a weighbridge PLUS even more incentive to keep the Horse on a permanent diet!

 

[newhorseowner2008]

Hello!

Looking for some advice.

Looking to purchase Rav4 4 wheel drive, 2.5 lite engine.

Towing capacity 1650kg, kerb weight 1615kg.

I am towing Ifor 506 920kg and horse at 500kg. So 1450kg total.

Will this do what I need it to do?


The figures in my mind work out but I want to check.

 

[ROG]

Hello!

Looking for some advice.

Looking to purchase Rav4 4 wheel drive, 2.5 lite engine.

Towing capacity 1650kg, kerb weight 1615kg.

I am towing Ifor 506 920kg and horse at 500kg. So 1450kg total.

Will this do what I need it to do?


The figures in my mind work out but I want to check.

What licence B or B+E?
GVW of vehicle if on a B licence? - does not matter if got B+E

 

[newhorseowner2008]

What licence B or B+E?
GVW of vehicle if on a B licence? - does not matter if got B+E

I have B + E licence . I am worried about the car being able to tow . Any insight would be great. It’s below the kerb weight and Towing capacity . But just not sure .
Thanks in advance!

 

[ROG]

I have B + E licence . I am worried about the car being able to tow . Any insight would be great. It’s below the kerb weight and Towing capacity . But just not sure .
Thanks in advance!

If a manufacturer says it can tow 1650 then it can - if it could not then they would be sued a lot!!

 

[newhorseowner2008]

If a manufacturer says it can tow 1650 then it can - if it could not then they would be sued a lot!!

This is very true . I just wondered if being close-ish to the towing capacity would be a problem .

 

[ROG]

This is very true . I just wondered if being close-ish to the towing capacity would be a problem .

I can only give the same answer as previous

 

[newhorseowner2008]

I can only give the same answer as previous

Thanks, much appreciated.

 

[holeymoley]

Thanks, much appreciated.

Just my input- the terrain you drive on can depend how well it will tow too. Towing on tarmac and on fairly ‘normal’ roads can make a big difference to towing up inclines on rough stoney tracks so it’s worth taking that in to consideration too. If you’re prone to the latter I’d suggest something with a bit more gumph.

 

[newhorseowner2008]

Just my input- the terrain you drive on can depend how well it will tow too. Towing on tarmac and on fairly ‘normal’ roads can make a big difference to towing up inclines on rough stoney tracks so it’s worth taking that in to consideration too. If you’re prone to the latter I’d suggest something with a bit more gumph.

Thank you so much. I did Have a think about this . Everywhere I’ll be going is tarmac and easy roads actually and no steep inclines which is good .

 

[sparow]

Thank you so much. I did Have a think about this . Everywhere I’ll be going is tarmac and easy roads actually and no steep inclines which is good .

 

[sparow]

Hi, if I can yet another trailer query for you:

Have B&E licence
Ford Kuga 2 litre diesel automatic

From V5 Documentation:

Revenue weight is 2230 kg GROSS
Mass permissable weight is 2230 kg
Mass in service is 1788 kg
Permissable maximum towable mass of trailer: Braked 2100 kg
Unbraked: 750 kg

What weight can I realistically tow with this car. I was thinking of a Cheval Liberte trailer due to lower weight. Is this sensible or would my car cope with a heavier Ifor Williams.

Horse weighs approx 600 kgs.

Many thanks for your help with this.

 

[ROG]

Hi, if I can yet another trailer query for you:

Have B&E licence
Ford Kuga 2 litre diesel automatic

From V5 Documentation:

Revenue weight is 2230 kg GROSS
Mass permissable weight is 2230 kg
Mass in service is 1788 kg
Permissable maximum towable mass of trailer: Braked 2100 kg
Unbraked: 750 kg

What weight can I realistically tow with this car. I was thinking of a Cheval Liberte trailer due to lower weight. Is this sensible or would my car cope with a heavier Ifor Williams.

Horse weighs approx 600 kgs.

Many thanks for your help with this.

You can tow 2100 with this vehicle
Manufacturers would be being sued if the max tow weight was not OK

 

[sparow]

You can tow 2100 with this vehicle
Manufacturers would be being sued if the max tow weight was not OK

Many thanks for this.

 

[ROG]

IMPORTANT UPDATE FOR MANUAL B LICENCE HOLDERS

Now passing auto B+E in the UK when you have B manual will get you B+E in manual

https://www.gov.uk/government/consu...ing-licence-upgrade-and-motorcycle-test-rules

 

[tallyho!]

IMPORTANT UPDATE FOR MANUAL B LICENCE HOLDERS

Now passing auto B+E in the UK when you have B manual will get you B+E in manual

https://www.gov.uk/government/consu...ing-licence-upgrade-and-motorcycle-test-rules

As long as you have passed a manual test previously… but some kids do their test in an automatic so will they have to take another test for manual first?

 

[ROG]

As long as you have passed a manual test previously… but some kids do their test in an automatic so will they have to take another test for manual first?

They could do B+E manual which upgrades B to manual or pass B & B+E auto then do B manual which upgrades all to manual

Any manual pass will upgrade all other categories in auto to manual

 

[tallyho!]

Ah ok thanks for clarifying.

 

[ROG]

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...-of-measures-to-support-road-haulage-industry
look at whether specific car and trailer tests should be required

Rather than scrap the B+E test I would like to see B+E trainers being able to sign off the driver as being safely competent to have B+E added

 

[AMJJ1986]

Hello,
Wondering if there are any single trailer/car options to tow a 725kg horse on a B license? I've been researching it but not sure it is possible to find a safe/legal set up for such a big horse. (also looking at lorries and booking trailer test)
Thanks

 

[ROG]

Hello,
Wondering if there are any single trailer/car options to tow a 725kg horse on a B license? I've been researching it but not sure it is possible to find a safe/legal set up for such a big horse. (also looking at lorries and booking trailer test)
Thanks

Skoda Octavia 4x4 GVW 2100kg
Bateson Derby trailer MAM 1400 down plated from 1700
Trailer empty = 675 so at 1400 that would leave a max trailer load of 725
THAT IS VERY TIGHT!!

 

[AMJJ1986]

Skoda Octavia 4x4 GVW 2100kg
Bateson Derby trailer MAM 1400 down plated from 1700
Trailer empty = 675 so at 1400 that would leave a max trailer load of 725
THAT IS VERY TIGHT!!

Thanks so much ROG, appreciate your input. I think I had better book in a test (or get a smaller horse 🤦‍♀️)

 

[Ched9310]

Hi ROG,

what would be you best recommendation for a car that could tow a 510 with 15.2 & 16.2 horse, weight of horses approx 1100kg.

I know this has been done to death but I find so many pros & cons for different vehicles when researching.

Ideally need something that won’t break the back to run, I was looking at the Kia Sorento but now not sure it’s ‘safe’ enough!

Thank you!

 

[ROG]

Hi ROG,

what would be you best recommendation for a car that could tow a 510 with 15.2 & 16.2 horse, weight of horses approx 1100kg.

I know this has been done to death but I find so many pros & cons for different vehicles when researching.

Ideally need something that won’t break the back to run, I was looking at the Kia Sorento but now not sure it’s ‘safe’ enough!

Thank you!

You will get more responses on this by posting in the main forum
I will assume you have B+E on licence

 

[Ched9310]

You will get more responses on this by posting in the main forum
I will assume you have B+E on licence

Where can I find the main forum?

Yes I do.

Thanks

 

[ROG]

Where can I find the main forum?

https://forums.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/the-tack-room.79/