Welfare Laws following the Stamford Situation

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The situation these horses now find themselves in is as a direct result of the inadequate and ineffective welfare laws.

It is not the fault of the RSPCA or the WHW that they are bound by the law of the land. If they were to act illegally, nothing would be achieved, the horses would still suffer, but more importantly it would impact on any future good work they may do.

It's great to see everyone pulling together for these horses. There are enough of you to create an impact on the public conscience, so I have a suggestion.

Use this energy to make a fuss about the serious shortcomings of the current status of the welfare laws.

I don't know who you lobby for this in the UK, but EMW may well be able to point you in the right direction.

Cases like these (and Amersham, and Aberdeen) will continue to happen unless changes are made to empower the welfare organisations to act more quickly and with greater authority.
 
It needs to come from someone in the UK though, otherwise I would be on the case immediately.
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A UK person needs to take charge of doing it.
 
I think making waves about these laws is a good idea, but it does need to be consolodated. All too ofen, in response to a given situation, there are many individual responses to it from people trying to make a change - there will petitions, lobbying, media coverage, charities set up etc and the problem with this is that all the effort is spread too thinly and the impact is diluted. If we all agree on a course of action and get behind it, we can achieve something. We have seen today just how much can be made to happen if we work as a team!
 
I must admit to being terribly confused over this issue.

My understanding about the 'new' animal welfare act was that it gave much more power to the arm of organisations such as the RSPCA. That an animal now only had to be in danger of suffering in order for some action to be taken. Not actually suffering.

It will be really interesting to see what comes out of this particular situation - and then pass it on to DEFRA for some sort of response and clarification.
 
If someone can find the actual laws (maybe contact WHW, or EMW) and send them to me, then we may be able to make some sense of them.

It could well be part of our new website efforts.

See what you can dig up.
 
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Could you post them on here so that we can see them to? Or tell us where the data is???
 
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If this issue doesn't effect the whole forum community, I'm not sure what does.
 
Good idea. I was just sitting here thinking how fantastic it is that the Stamford horses have been saved. And wondering when something will be done about the many horses in a huge field full of ragwort near me. Year after year people report their sorry state and poor condition to the welfare agencies, year after year we are told something will be done. Every winter poor sad little bodies are found, often youngsters born there in the summer. All the work that went into the new Act, and the law is still an ass.
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I agree.

Come on admin - pull your finger out......
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Oh and Admin - you've just got a great bit of copy out of this........

Your attitude, actually, has made me really angry!
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Sadly enough, as the Animal Welfare Act has just been revised it will probably be another 5-7 years before it is looked at again, which makes it all the more important for the equestrian voice to be an effective lobbying voice when there is the opportunity to make a change.
 
One law I believe needs changing is the inability to seize animals whose welfare is not deemed a worry - I have been at Stamford all day, loaded the emaciated chestnut [affectionately known as Carrot] and spent all day with them. We have had to leave behind a Shetland and 6mnth Falabella because there is no concern over their safety - yet we know this man can't be trusted with animals, but we have to wait til they're in the same state as Carrot and Spud....
 
Very interesting, thank you skeptic.
Rest assured, living in a different country has not impaired my ability to understand written law any less than I did previous to my move!
I think you'll see that I was also encourging those resident in the UK to perhaps act upon fighting for change to the current UK laws, having already pointed out that in fact that would be impossible to implement from France.
You do seem to write in a familiar fashion. Perhaps this forum knows you as another poster?
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I do apologise, I didn't realise you were a paralegal.

As to your implication this forum may recognise me as someone other than myself, I can assure you most categorically I do not possess a split personality and I reside here under one name only!
 
Gonetofrance, I'm sorry to disappoint you but you are very wrong. Unless you have something worthwhile to add on the topic in question instead of making wild assumptions as to a persons identity, may I suggest you desist from commenting further.
 
Hmmm..... an innocent newbie is unlikely to have made that initial post. Better luck next time, you need to be smarter than that!
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And rather than attempting to justify yourself, why don't you take on the task of working your way through the laws and do what this thread was suggesting UK peeps to do in the first place.

I wish you every success with it.
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Oh please, where you not the one who wrote "If someone can find the actual laws (maybe contact WHW, or EMW) and send them to me, then we may be able to make some sense of them".

The link to the Countryside Alliance contains the simple explanation of the AWA, as interpreted by their own legal department. I can't for one minute understand why a non-UK resident layperson, should consider themself to be better qualified to answer!

But while you choose to play at wearing the hat of a legal expert, in addition to your many other areas of apparent expertise, you can rest assured I didn't realise as a 'newbie' that the contradiction of such a seasoned expert was a cardinal sin.
 
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