Well Well Well , What are your thoughts on this ?

Ummm , dont know why they aren't working for you.They are for me.They are from a guy called O'Reilly.He is a founder member of the Long Riders Guild.He spent 2 years looking for the right horse to ride around the world on ,only for the horse to be abused by a trainer in France .He is now calling for tighter regulations for anyone who wishes too call themselves a horse trainer. Very interesting indeed.
 
sikunder's law / toxic training - the info gien by the video:
An appeal for the passing of international laws to prevent the abuse of horses by unlicensed trainers and to establish a code of ethics regulating the actions of horse trainers. See also "Entraineurs Toxiques
 
They worked for me totally, 1 Bad "TRAINER" who has read a book and is now an expert = 1 very messed up pony and 1 beautifull stallion who was starved, an expert but am just trying to find a polite way of saying what in!! I do think he is correct though, you wouldn't let an unregisterd vet/Farrier knowingly work on you horse, but we will trust so call experts to instruct us on how to train them, it does seem mad. I'm not saying that all trainer are bad because I've been lucky enough to have some very very good ones help me over the years and I'm not saying that anyone who practises natural horsemanship is negligent but a little knowledge in the wrong hands is a recipe for disaster (as you tube seems to prove time and time again). I do think a Trainers register would be a good thing, it would help the good trainers by getting their names out there and also maybe curb the bad ones as they would not be on the list!!! just a few thoughts, not meant to offend anyone, sorry if they did.
 
As someone who has just had a horse sorted out by a VERY good trainer. My advice who be recommendation, recommendation, recommendation. Closely followed by research. Go and see them before you send your horse there. You should be able to visit your horse whenever you like and watch it being worked. They should also be able to explain what they are doing and why.

I personally am not overly bothered by BHS quals and think experience, and bags of it over-rides this.
 
At last some people talking common sense! Natural horsemanship does need legislative guidelines to work to.

I did snigger at the comment about "charlatans in stetsons and cravats" (sp?)!:D

Target the inexperienced, promise the method works for all horses, books that contain no scientific research/bibliographies - sounds oddly familiar to me.......:D
 
Bit of an odd video really - much in there makes sense, but the sad fact is that this man doesn't seem to have done his homework, and has proven somewhat gullible - surely no amount of legislation is going to make the owner's responsibility towards ensuring his/her horses are appropriately managed go away? Actually I'm a bit lost as to why two horses which are to be used to circumnavigate the world in such an extraordinary undertaking are left 'in training' with complete strangers. But he does make some sound points.
 
Hen said:
Bit of an odd video really - much in there makes sense, but the sad fact is that this man doesn't seem to have done his homework, and has proven somewhat gullible - surely no amount of legislation is going to make the owner's responsibility towards ensuring his/her horses are appropriately managed go away? Actually I'm a bit lost as to why two horses which are to be used to circumnavigate the world in such an extraordinary undertaking are left 'in training' with complete strangers. But he does make some sound points.
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I think but don't quote me on this , that he was to start his ride from Paris.He left the horses in this womens care just too be stabled not trained under recommendation of a collegue .It was only when he arrived there and she said the horse was unrideable that she offered the training.He like many many many was taken in by her list of recomendations by other clients.

I completely agree , you should never let anyone near your horse to teach it or You if you haven't seen them work with others first.Its much easier to walk away as a spectator than if you are being directly taught ect.However there are many people out there who believe that these people actually know what they are doing and put their trust into them.I suppose fault can fall on both sides but it still doesn't take away from the fact that there are people out there making their own pseudo science and theories up as they go along, totally disregarding every bit of factual scientific information that is now available.
I say bring on the day that everyone has to be registered and properly qualified to varying degrees depending on what it is they are wanting to teach or train.Mind you I also wouldn't look to the BHS to qualify them either.
 
Hen, they weren't sent anywhere for training, the person, The way I heard it the person in France was just meant to have them there while the owners got everything else sorted for the trip, she was not meant to ride or train them in any way, she just decided to do it off her own back, when the owner got there the a lot of the damage had already been done, Moral of the story never send your horse to be looked after by some one you don't know, have never meet and if you have to do that at least go and reserch the yard don't just take it on one recomendation, Maybe slightly harsh but my excuse is it has just started snowing here again and I am getting a little borded of it now, it was fun for a while but I would like to get home today!!! Sorry!
 
Bovril said:
Hen, they weren't sent anywhere for training, the person, The way I heard it the person in France was just meant to have them there while the owners got everything else sorted for the trip, she was not meant to ride or train them in any way, she just decided to do it off her own back, when the owner got there the a lot of the damage had already been done.
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Oh I see that now. What a nightmare for them.
 
starbar said:
As someone who has just had a horse sorted out by a VERY good trainer. My advice who be recommendation, recommendation, recommendation. Closely followed by research. Go and see them before you send your horse there. You should be able to visit your horse whenever you like and watch it being worked. They should also be able to explain what they are doing and why.

I personally am not overly bothered by BHS quals and think experience, and bags of it over-rides this.
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Am with you very much on this one Starbar. BHS quals are fine, but hands-on depth of experience is key - in which case need someone to be recommended by person you trust. Also, look for endorsement by others with horses who work happily, helped by the same trainer.
 
Can't really see how this particular guy could have avoided it - he DID go on recommendations according to earlier posters and I for one, would struggle to find contacts in a different country!

As for untried trainers in the UK - regardless of any letters after their name I have only ever gone for trainers by personal recommendation. My personal interest is to have someone teaching me who is a lot higher on the competitive train than I am, then have a lesson and see if I feel I had made progress.
 
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