Welsh Cob section C - experts

[melbobineau]

I have currently a friend who is buying a little 5 years old Welsh Cob section C imported from uk in France 6 months ago. She would like to know if he is of good brendin or not and the reputation of the studfarm who he's from.

His name is Gwynno Rio Grande. He is by Bryncarreg Lightning Jack and Saethydd Red Rose (by Nebo Magic).

Thanks for your help.

 

[KrujaaLass]

Nebo bloodlines are good I think. You can google the names and find the studs and see if there are any champions

 

[melbobineau]

thank you. Anyone else?

 

[Merry Crisis]

He looks very nice, but it really doesnt matter what his breeding is, he is a gelding. She obviously gets on with him and he goes well, thats all that really matters.

 

[melbobineau]

She is also interested by a little 5 years old welsh cob section C mare called Cynorian Rio.
She is by PArvadean Geraint and Jezabel Pride (by Tireinon Confidence).

Sorry I don't have any photos or her. If you have also some info about her, it would be great.

 

[melbobineau]

He looks very nice, but it really doesnt matter what his breeding is, he is a gelding. She obviously gets on with him and he goes well, thats all that really matters.

She just want to know to see if the prize of this little one is normal or not for his pedegree.

 

[Megibo]

I've a welsh D with (as we've been told by a Welsh breeder) good lines. He said she's 'very well bred'.
Her lines are Nebo Black Magic, lots of Derwen and lots of Rhosfarch. Alot of her ancestors are amongst welsh cob greats.
Have a look on 'allbreedspedigree' with his passport name or name in his pedigree and see what you find

 

[melbobineau]

Anyone for today?

 

[MiCsarah]

We had a stallion from nebo and triad lines. He was gorgeous. Personally I wouldn't say that the sec c in your photos is amazing looking for a welshie from the nebo lines. But that's just my opnion

 

[BeBopTalulah]

Breeding and bloodlines are all very well, but I don't think they're any replacement for good temprement and of course, good health.

 

[Rostor]

He has got some good animals in his breeding
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/gwynno+rio+grande

Nebo magic, Nebo Black Magic, Cippyn Red Flyer, Parc Welsh Flyer, Meani Fury to name a few - google them to see what they have done.

He looks a nice useful sort.

 

[Queenbee]

Breeding history (5 generations)
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/gwynno+rio+grande

Photos of breeding history (5 gens)
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ind...red=Standard&x2=n&username=&password=&x=0&y=0

 

[melbobineau]

Breeding and bloodlines are all very well, but I don't think they're any replacement for good temprement and of course, good health.

Are you speaking for both of the ponies (the gelding and the mare)?

 

[Queenbee]

PG breeding (5 gens)
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/parvadean+geraint
Photos:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ind...red=Standard&x2=n&username=&password=&x=0&y=0

JP breeding (5 gens)
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/jezabel+pride
Photos:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?search_bar=photos&query_type=check&h=Jezabel+Pride&g=5

 

[melbobineau]

Thank you all for your help. So if I summurised he is of good breeding and goodlines but don't seem to well represent the model of a true Welsh pony of cob type.

Thinking that the welshies are more expensive in France than in UK (more rare and principally used as ponies for young classes competions), do you think that 2900€ (currently around 2500£) is worth it for this pony? Around would it be for a simmilar pony in the UK?

 

[be positive]

If he jumps like that he is a fab. prospect ,fair price as a useful allrounder.
He probably will mature a little more and improve physically and as said the main thing is temperament and suitability to do the job required.

 

[melbobineau]

Thank you for your comments. I don't know why but I thought he was 5 years old but as he was born in 2007, he is instead 4 years oldnow (born in June) so the pictures might be of last winter when he was still 3,5 year old. So as said he might mature and improve physically!

 

[KrujaaLass]

We bought our Welsh C with Nebo lines for £850 when he was just coming up to five in the June. Had him over a year now and he is perfect lean reid pony for my 5 year old grand daughter. He loves being fussed by her. Also he is very striking looking. if I could do photos I would put some on so you could compare. .My daughter also hacks him out and he is very good on the roads. Not done any jumping yet though.

 

[melbobineau]

Would love to see some pictures of your to compare! 850£ that a very good price but dificult to compare with one in France as there a lot more welshies on the market in the uk! Was he brocken before you bought it? If yes, how trainind did he have?

This pony was training in vue to compete (show jumping) with the son of his current owner. But the son choose to go with a connemara instead (the dad has a riding school) so he is for sale now to the happiness to my friend!

 

[Merry Crisis]

I think he is an awful lot of money, compared to the price of section Cs in this country. Having said that he seems like a nice pony and if he does the job he is priceless. I think it is not a good idea to dwell on what was paid and what he is worth, if we all did that we would be in for a shock.

 

[BonneMaman]

He looks very nice, but it really doesnt matter what his breeding is, he is a gelding. She obviously gets on with him and he goes well, thats all that really matters.

Crikey - you obviously know nothing about natives then LOL. Breeding means everything even with geldings! There is a whole load of rubbish out there that should never be poked with a long stick!

Keep to the good bloodlines and avoid the rubbish!

It costs just as much to keep a pony whether it is good or bad and if you ever came to sell it a good bloodline will shine through.

 

[KrujaaLass]

Melbobineau.
My ponys gran dam is Talon Bonny who is that ponys great gran dam. Also have Parc Lady and Parc Welsh Flyer in common, and Nebo Rosebud. I will message you with my facebook name and he is my signature photo. it was my grandaughters first ride on him. He was broken and we only tried him out in menage for about 15 min he was so good we bought him there and then.

 

[melbobineau]

KrujaaLass, I have email you. Can't find you on facebook. too many people with the same name!

 

[Merry Crisis]

Crikey - you obviously know nothing about natives then LOL. Breeding means everything even with geldings! There is a whole load of rubbish out there that should never be poked with a long stick!

Keep to the good bloodlines and avoid the rubbish!

It costs just as much to keep a pony whether it is good or bad and if you ever came to sell it a good bloodline will shine through.

I know rather a lot actually, my husbund and I stood 2 stallions at stud, one was Menai Double Magic a big secD, the other was a sec.C Rookery Flashlight. I am no longer married and I now have TBs. My husbund used to produce and show ponies, so for quite a number of years welsh cobs and welsh ponies of cob type were an important part of my life. I was making a point that the pony in question seems to suit his owner, its breeding is of no importance what so ever. Also if you look at any welsh pedigree there will ALWAYS be names that appeal to you, and that doesnt necessarily make it a world beater.

 

[BonneMaman]

I know rather a lot actually, my husbund and I stood 2 stallions at stud, one was Menai Double Magic a big secD, the other was a sec.C Rookery Flashlight. I am no longer married and I now have TBs. My husbund used to produce and show ponies, so for quite a number of years welsh cobs and welsh ponies of cob type were an important part of my life. I was making a point that the pony in question seems to suit his owner, its breeding is of no importance what so ever. Also if you look at any welsh pedigree there will ALWAYS be names that appeal to you, and that doesnt necessarily make it a world beater.

Well then in that case you should know better! The Welsh breeds as a whole are in crisis due to the amount of rubbish stallions and mares being kept to breed rubbish. No one should be encouraging indescriminate breeding and by buying poor quality stock this is exactly what you are doing. By dismissing the geldings in the way you did you are basically dismissing half the foals born every year. In fact the WPCS have set up youngstock gelding only showing awards in at attempt to stop this attitude. Also there are plenting of ridden gelding and mare only classes for the smaller ponies and these will certainly never be won by a poorly bred pony. It costs just as much to keep a well bred pony from a reputable breeder as rubbish from rubbish.

 

[Brandy]

To be honest, you would be hard pushed to find a welsh cob without Nebo or Derwen blood lines somewhere or other!

 

[Waffles]

Nebo Black Magic was a Section D rather than C, and yes, Nebo lines are pretty good.

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

We have a saying in racing which kind of applies to all forms of breeding: You can go for the best of bloodlines but all you are doing is increasing your CHANCE for sucess, not guarantee it.