Welsh sec D + primitive marking

[Forestfreedom]

Has anyone ever seen a dun Welsh sec D with primitive markings ( tiger stripes) dorsal stripes etc.? I know that dun horses usually have the dorsal stripe, but does anyone know if the Welsh sec horses can have the other primitive markings like the tiger striped on the legs etc?

If anyone has any pictures too, that would be great.
Thank you

 

[Chinchilla]

***Not my pics.***
But yes if they can be dun dilute, they can have primitive markings 🙂 hard to differentiate nd1 or sooty on a buckskin with true dun though.

To get these images I just searched "dun Welsh section d" on Chrome.

 

[ester]

are you talking dun or nd1?

there is true dun up to section C which obviously comes with all primitives but I'm not aware of any section Ds

true dun certainly looks very different to buckskin +nd1 to me, they tone of the dilution is different.

you might find the silver/dun list interesting https://www.facebook.com/groups/365100963647613/

 

[Gloi]

***Not my pics.***
But yes if they can be dun dilute, they can have primitive markings 🙂 hard to differentiate nd1 or sooty on a buckskin with true dun though.

To get these images I just searched "dun Welsh section d" on Chrome.

All those are buckskin not dun.

 

[Forestfreedom]

***Not my pics.***
But yes if they can be dun dilute, they can have primitive markings 🙂 hard to differentiate nd1 or sooty on a buckskin with true dun though.

To get these images I just searched "dun Welsh section d" on Chrome.

Thanks for the pictures. I mean like, in these pictures ( below ) for example, it can clearly be seen that these horse are Dun not sooty, but would it be possible for a horse of this colour ( dun, to have the other primitive markings like the tiger stripes etc ) ?

 

[ester]

2nd one looks very buckskin....
1st one highland with some of the leg barring you mention (that is the correct term).

Why wouldn't it be possible for a dun horse to have primitive markings, it is part of what it causes? Confused.
And we now seem to have moved away from welsh Ds?!

 

[Forestfreedom]

2nd one looks very buckskin....
1st one highland with some of the leg barring you mention (that is the correct term).

Why wouldn't it be possible for a dun horse to have primitive markings, it is part of what it causes? Confused.
And we now seem to have moved away from welsh Ds?!

All I mean is, is it possible for a DUN ( of any breed ) horse to present with other primitive marks apart from the dorsal stripe!?

 

[ester]

It is part of them being dun. it's what dun does, to greater or lesser degree depending on expression.
leg barring
shoulder barring
ear bars
cobwebbing
all dun traits along with a proper dorsal.

but not exclusive to dun now we know about nd1 too.

Why ask about welsh D then, it's quite confusing! you specifically mention welsh D twice in your OP?

 

[Gloi]

Duns can have all these markings , do you mean can buckskins have them?

 

[Chinchilla]

I'm so confused. 😣
I thought the question was, "can dun Welsh ds have other primitives" to which the answer is yes..... Because all dun dilutes can, breed doesn't matter.....

 

[ester]

except that they're probably aren't any dun welsh D's....

 

[Forestfreedom]

except that they're probably aren't any dun welsh D's....

Why not?...

 

[Gloi]

Why not?...

Only some breeds carry the dun gene and Welsh Ds aren't one of them. If one turned up there would be a suspicion of something untoward in the pedigree.

 

[DabDab]

OP are you designing horses for computer games? These very specific colour and breed combinations you ask about are strange questions for someone with just general interest...

 

[ester]

Why not?...

for the same reason any colour/gene doesn't exist within a breed, what an odd question.
It isn't a common gene in the smaller sections either and the C's in particularly aren't very typey. It is suspected that it has always existed just not been properly recorded and slowly bred out.

DD I have found the OPs previous questions odd and not been sure what to make of them, why google hasn't sufficed for many. I responded to this one as I thought I could genuinely help, knowng both Welsh Ds and colour genetics but have still ended up a bit confused and frustrated as to what and why they are asking.

 

[Gloi]

OP are you designing horses for computer games? These very specific colour and breed combinations you ask about are strange questions for someone with just general interest...

That makes sense come to think of it

 

[doodle]

Robin is bright bay and has thhese markings on his legs and a dorsal stripe.