FionaM12
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As title. I've seen "No hoof kickers" in a few horse for sale ads. It usually goes with "No time wasters". Can anyone tell me what a hoof kicker is? :confused3:
What are "hoof kickers"?
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Spring Feather
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Tire kickers. Time wasters
Arizahn
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Really tiny people who can actually walk around each hoof and kick the sides of it, whilst sighing/tutting and shaking their heads.
AKA People who turn up to view and decide that the horse is not the one for them after all. A cynical person would say that the hoof kickers have spotted some health issue or behavioural concern, or that they are troubled by the fact that the horse is say grey instead of bay etc.
AKA People who turn up to view and decide that the horse is not the one for them after all. A cynical person would say that the hoof kickers have spotted some health issue or behavioural concern, or that they are troubled by the fact that the horse is say grey instead of bay etc.
FionaM12
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I'd never heard of tyre kickers either. :confused3:
FionaM12
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So, just someone who comes to view, but decides they don't want the horse? So the advertiser could put, "If you view this horse you must buy it" instead. :wink3:
Arizahn
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Tyre kickers are those awful people who decide not to buy your car after seeing it <because it's not as described at all/missing a wing mirror/on fire>, or who feel that it is vastly over priced and wish to offer less money <to allow for the massive amount of work needed pre-MOT> than you are asking for.
I'm less than tolerant of those sorts of sellers.
I'm less than tolerant of those sorts of sellers.
Arizahn
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jnb
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Hoof kicker = equine equivalent of tyre kicker, i.e a person who shows up soleley to run down said horse in the hope of buying it for next to nothing when in actual fact horse is possibly 4* Badminton material or similar.
PS Not all horses are 4* Badminton material, obviously.
PS Not all horses are 4* Badminton material, obviously.
Foxy O
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Liane
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Its the sort of person who turns up to see a 17hh horse and then decide 17hh is too big, or turns up to see a gelding and decide they are not interested as they really wanted a mare!
Arizahn
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No, those are called Chancers. AKA, wannabe dodgy horse dealers. Provided that the horse truly is 4* Badminton type etc. Remember that nothing irks the Chancer more than being told they aren't a suitable home for said horse. Or the response of raising the price by an equal amount to how they have attempted to lower it.
Spring Feather
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Oh. Really? Well then that's probably why you weren't able to make the connection
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Arizahn
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I travelled eighty odd miles to try a nice horse once. Really liked the sound of it. Arrived, horse looked great. Tried the horse, it did nothing actually wrong but we just didn't work well together. Didn't enjoy riding it at all, and let's face it, this is an expensive hobby if you aren't enjoying it. Was very disappointed, but told seller the truth and thanked them. Horse was sold three weeks later to someone else, who adores it. Perfect match. Not once was the phrase hoof kicker or time waster mentioned by anyone. It was just a typical sale of a horse - the right buyer isn't always the first to view.
I sort of want to name a horse "No Time Wasters Or Hoof Kickers First To See Will Buy" now...
I sort of want to name a horse "No Time Wasters Or Hoof Kickers First To See Will Buy" now...
Cortez
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Tyre kicker: someone who turns up at a car dealership, looks over the car, kicks all the tyres, twiddles all the knobs, opens and shuts all the doors, turns on the radio, then decides it's the wrong colour/ too big/too small/smells funny. AKA time waster. Hoof kicker: same thing only it's a horse they're looking at. It's a US term.
JoJo_
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I dont agree that its just someone who views the horse and decides they dont want to buy it for genuine reasons.
Hoof kicker is like others have said, someone who views the horse, probably rides it for a while then decides its too big/small or not the right colour/breed. Something that is clearly stated in the ad.
I sold my 15.2hh last year and had someone view him with their instructor. Instructor loved him and thought he was right for her but she thought he looked small although felt bigger when riding him. I wouldnt go as far as saying she was a hoof kicker but I think she was probably looking for 15.2-16.2 but actually 15.2 was maybe not what she really wanted. Was funny though as a month or so later she text me to ask if he was still for sale and he had sold the week before!
Hoof kicker is like others have said, someone who views the horse, probably rides it for a while then decides its too big/small or not the right colour/breed. Something that is clearly stated in the ad.
I sold my 15.2hh last year and had someone view him with their instructor. Instructor loved him and thought he was right for her but she thought he looked small although felt bigger when riding him. I wouldnt go as far as saying she was a hoof kicker but I think she was probably looking for 15.2-16.2 but actually 15.2 was maybe not what she really wanted. Was funny though as a month or so later she text me to ask if he was still for sale and he had sold the week before!
pennyturner
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^^this^^
What it isn't, is someone who tries the horse and decides it's not for them for reasons not obvious without trying it, such as not gettig on well together ridden. I also feel it shouldn't apply to someone who offers a lower price having viewed the animal. An offer might be cheeky, but the buyer is taking a chance, perhaps on a horse which isn't quite right for them, but could be improved, and the seller can take it or leave it.
Cortez
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Why would an offer be cheeky? Over here you'd be considered mad if you didn't enter into the spirit and bargain robustly!
pennyturner
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Ah, but there are plenty of folk in the UK who take mighty offence if you offer less than they believe is the 'value' of their horse... even if the thing's been on the market forever and not sold, or shows a fault which will make it tricky to sell.
If I had a grand prix horse with a difficult temperament, I would give it away to a man with the ability to handle it well and kindly, but that's not a common attitude amongst sellers, more's the pity for the horse.
Hurricanelady
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Kezzabell2
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I read this as hoof knickers to begin with
Thought, which puts knickers on their horses hooves anyway? Doh. Back to school for me haha.
Thought, which puts knickers on their horses hooves anyway? Doh. Back to school for me haha.
rara007
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Didn't realise this- we always haggle, and advertise for more than we actually want, for haggle room!
WindyStacks
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Me too. Have never bought or sold at advertised price. Same goes for cars + houses too.
I thought that was expected.
I was always told to offer 50% of what the buyer was asking and settle at 75%.
I thought that was expected.
I was always told to offer 50% of what the buyer was asking and settle at 75%.
honetpot
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Tyre kicker, 'the tyres are nearly bald can have X amount off, or its only got 3 months MOT its only worth...'
Hoof kickers, 'it needs shoeing, its not fully vaccinated, the saddle doesn't fit and I will have to buy another one so will you knock off £500,''
Do not be offended its a negotiating tool. Only get cross when you agree a price, are waiting for the vet to arrive and then they change their mind. Then they are a become a time waster.
I had one try and knock £500 off when the granddaughter was bandaging it up to put in the trailer, reason, her daughter had negotiated the price, not her and she was paying.
Hoof kickers, 'it needs shoeing, its not fully vaccinated, the saddle doesn't fit and I will have to buy another one so will you knock off £500,''
Do not be offended its a negotiating tool. Only get cross when you agree a price, are waiting for the vet to arrive and then they change their mind. Then they are a become a time waster.
I had one try and knock £500 off when the granddaughter was bandaging it up to put in the trailer, reason, her daughter had negotiated the price, not her and she was paying.