What can it be? all suggestions please!

[EquestrianFairy]

What the hell?

Right, my horse was shod and the new farrier put nails up quite high- within 24 hours he was almost crippled with pain!
Gave him some bute overnight and next morning seemed better, called farrier he thinks perhaps horse wasnt keen and abit sore from nails so we leave it (champion farrier apologised but seemed end of)

Two days later shoe comes off, put back on again and no extra pain.

A week ago he pulled his leg whilst being crazy in field and had some heat, all gone then friday morning he went out all ok, friday evening he was crippled with both front feet very hot!

Ok, so bute again until the morning, morning comes and hes alot better so i box rest him and no more bute now its today and theres a marked improvment -however his hoof is still warm so hes not 10% yet hes sound!

Have called farrier out now, what the hell is going on?

Like to add its not a bruised sole!

any suggestions?

 

[Tia]

Trauma-induced laminitis? Or an abscess forming perhaps?

What did the vet think it was?

 

[EquestrianFairy]

The most recent one happened friday night so farrier suggested he come first before vet!

Its all new to me, never had this before? Can you get trauma induced laminitis? oh my god i will sue that farrier if hes done that to my boy!

 

[passie]

it does sound like an abscess forming in the foot, a good farrier would be able to find a hole where some dirt has gone in and set up an abscess, if you can find one get him to cut into it to widen it, then lots of tubbing and poultices. At least 95% of lameness at our yard is caused by abscesses.

 

[Fahrenheit]

It sounds IMO like the farrier could have pricked your horse foot/feet nailing up high and he could have abcesses forming! Best to get the vet!

 

[Spot1]

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Can you get trauma induced laminitis? oh my god i will sue that farrier if hes done that to my boy!

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Laminitis can be induced by trauma, but you shouldn't assume that is necessarily your farriers fault, trauma could be from "playing" in the field. Is your horse prone to, or showing any other indication of, laminitis?

It is possible it may be a low level inflamation (sub clinical). In this case it should soon settle. I am inclined to go against abscesses as a cause but if it doesn't clear your farrier or vet will be able to check. I hope that you get it all sorted soon

 

[Gladioli]

I would be inclined to agree with Horsegroupie, sounds as though your farrier may have shod him too high causing nail bind and also may have pricked him which could lead to an infection, it does happen to all farriers even the good ones.

Would either call the vet or farrier (I would choose my farrier however I trust him implicitly).

It could be trauma induced laminitis however I think it is more likely with the way he was shod it is bind and prick.

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[EquestrianFairy]

He doesnt seem to have any known indications of laminitis, hes still eating extremely high quality hayledge and its not making him worse as hes got better the more hes rested etc.

Hes still sound today but theres still heat in his front foot and his other front foot isnt perfect but its nowhere near as warm (not forgetting hes been box rested since friday evening)

My employer who has trained racehorses and is a part vet for 25 years says i should keep him in until thursday and then call farrier if hes not 100% better- but i dont know, ive never had this before, Hes no history ever of bruised soles or absesses?!

 

[kick_On]

Can i ask: Why do you keep giving your horse bute???
i know what it is and what job it does???

Bute wil masks the true lameness in horse, so if you need to present your your to vet, they can't give you a proper diagonis cos you masked lameness through bute

Can suggest that you cold hose legs, if filling or heat in legs then bandage with cold wrap plus stable bandages
or
For nail bind call farrier
or
brusing call farrier or pus

I would suggest that your horse has pus brewing and you need to allow time for pus to brew -phone farrier and have chat

and

Please, please can only give bute with vets ok, once you know WHY your horse is lame as if you give it too early in treatment you're going to have to wait longer for treatment. If it's pus in foot you'll doing no good giving bute until pus is found and pressure is realived. The bute then will have it's uses

 

[Mbronze]

I'd definetely get the vet out, farrier may not want to admit incorrect shoeing but vet will be able to tell you for sure. Try not giving him bute for 24hrs before the vet comes so the vet can see what hes like. Hope it gets better quickly when you discover the problem!!

 

[EquestrianFairy]

Whoa, no i only gave one sachet of bute friday evening when he came in unable to walk to get him through the night thats all and by the next morning he was better i dont give it all the time just in times like that to make him comfortable overnight until i can sort something (ie. vet/farrier)

Farrier is due out tomorrow now as after reading all these i reckon its an absess, although i have no experience of them myself, god help!

 

[Tia]

I can't understand why you aren't calling the vet out? Why dillydally?

Nice horse by the way....what a messy yard you are on though, LOL!! How can you stand all that rubbish around you?

 

[collie]

Sounds like the farrier has put a nail into the foot. Get him out and ask him, his face will tell you if it was him. Dont get to mad at him sometimes it happens and most blacksmiths i know are very carefull, i should know my father was a blacksmith and i spent most of my young life working in the Smiddy.

 

[Spot1]

Nice photo, he looks well and not in pain. Can't quite see his feet though

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Hes still sound today but theres still heat in his front foot and his other front foot isnt perfect but its nowhere near as warm

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This is good news. It is looking more like simply inflammation as opposed to infection.

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My employer who has trained racehorses and is a part vet for 25 years says i should keep him in until thursday and then call farrier if hes not 100% better

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I'm not sure what a part vet is

but I would agree. He is not lame therefore presumably not experiencing any hoof pain, seems happy and is getting better. I am hoping that by Thursday the heat will have reduced to normal.

You should in any case try to find the cause of the "inflammation?" If it was tightness of nailing or sole pressure your farrier should be able to avoid it in future, as stated in a previous post these thing can happen to the best farriers. I would be interested to hear how this turns out.

 

[kick_On]

Whoa, no i only gave one sachet of bute friday evening when he came in unable to walk to get him through the night thats all and by the next morning he was better i dont give it all the time just in times like that to make him comfortable overnight until i can sort something (ie. vet/farrier)
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why didn't you phone vets thens???

I think your TOTALLY missing my point, of course he'll be better next day cos bute is an anti inflammatory drug and DEFO will mask lameness, if i he didn't go sound in morning, i would be even MORE worried................

i'm not having a pop at you, BUT bute is not wonder drug for everything and giving a horse this willy nilly will delay your treatment.

If i were you i would pop out and buy nappies, carpet tape, animaltex and salt.............. then

Whislt waiting for farrier i would suggest you tub foot in warm salty water (just sole), plus cold hose leg (20mins), check to see if you have digital pulse (if so you're defo got something going on), then put stables bandages. - this treatment is the way to go and this will add you horse recovery once pus found where bute just mask stuff. With puss just think a of yellow spot, you need it to brew.... and then once reslease you can sort very quickly

Please, please only give bute will vets ok ... it's only take a minute call to them. And i guantee (sp) that if you had they would have said NO and phone farrier to get shoe off and hoof tester around.

I'm sorry if i sound hard BUT i have learnt the hard way....

 

[EquestrianFairy]

OOps, thats an old picture i dont know why it came up?
Thats our old yard, i understand Kick on what you mean and youve a very valid point i was so worried i wasnt thinking particualry straight.

We did hoof tester yesterday and not one flinch! Is it a possibility that the abcess or 'problem' would be underneath the actual shoe and if thats the case is it possible he'd still not flinch?

My farrier is out today to have a look, hes been bandaged up and its made the heat in his hooves almost disappear which to me is odd as yesterday i didnt bandage and his hoof was boiling hot? Makes no sense to me, i rang my vet and she said i need the farrier out first- hes still 100% sound.

 

[kick_On]

pus is wierd stuff, can said without seeing, but if pus, it needs to be found.
I assume that farrier has removed shoe and your poulticing????????? if this is the case you need to pray that when you remove poultice that's there's a smelling mess there, that's a good sign and then can treat for pus etc.......
BUT
If nail being just to tight, and had shoe adjusted shoe, you can get away with it

but if lame and NO pus then next route after pus treat is to vets for nerve blocking etc............... BUT keep with your farrier as they are feet folk, he's advise when you need to chat to vet