What colour would I get if I bred my horse?

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Totally out of curiosity just wanting to know what colour would be most likely produced if I bred my mare (blue and white/grey tobiano) with a palomino. As I said I'm simply curious and I have no intention on ever breeding from my mare as I know there are already plenty of horses! Her dam is dappled grey and I have no idea what her sire is.
 
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Do you know what colour your horse was before she went grey? I presume she is grey/white rather than blue roan/white or blue dun/white.

The palomino can pass on chestnut and cream genes. Yours will depend on what colour she was before she went grey. The grey is hiding everything apart from the tobiano.

It will also depend on whether she is carrying one or two copies of the grey gene as to the chance of her foal being grey(50% chance or 100% chance).

As her mother was a solid colour her father must have passed on the tobiano and she will have 50% chance of passing that on.

Provided your mare isn't carrying cream behind the grey you have a 50% chance of the cream being passed on and getting a dilute colour. If the mare is carrying cream you have a 25% chance of a double dilute, 50% chance of a single dilute and 25% chance of no dilute colour.
 
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She isn't grey yet, she is only 5 so still a while before she goes grey. Not really sure what her colour is called then :p she is definately getting lighter and was sold as blue and white?
 
Gloi said:
Do you know what colour your horse was before she went grey? I presume she is
grey/white rather than blue roan/white or blue dun/white.

The palomino can pass on chestnut and cream genes. Yours will depend on what colour she was before she went grey. The grey is hiding everything apart from the tobiano.

It will also depend on whether she is carrying one or two copies of the grey gene as to the chance of her foal being grey(50% chance or 100% chance).

As her mother was a solid colour her father must have passed on the tobiano and she will have 50% chance of passing that on.

Provided your mare isn't carrying cream behind the grey you have a 50% chance of the cream being passed on and getting a dilute colour. If the mare is carrying cream you have a 25% chance of a double dilute, 50% chance of a single dilute and 25% chance of no dilute colour.
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She isn't grey yet, she is only 5 so still a while before she goes grey. Not really sure what her colour is called then :p she is definately getting lighter and was sold as blue and white?
 
Jazmyn101 said:
She isn't grey yet, she is only 5 so still a while before she goes grey. Not really sure what her colour is called then :p she is definately getting lighter and was sold as blue and white?
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The blue is the grey affecting the colour she was when she was born, do you know anyone who knew her when she was younger? It is probably she was born black/white if she hasn't any brown hairs amongst the grey, but that is not certain, you really need to try and see what she was like as a foal.
Blue and white is only a temporary stage, when she is older she is likely to be white all over.
If the mare is heterozygous black(one copy black and one chestnut) & white with grey,
bred with the palomino you could get
black
chestnut
black tobiano
chestnut tobiano
smokey black
smokey black tobiano
palomino
palomino tobiano
plus all the above colours turning to grey.
If she has anything else hiding behind the grey such as bay/dun/roan etc then you could get other things.
(Hopefully got that right!)
 
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Gloi said:
The blue is the grey affecting the colour she was when she was born, do you know anyone who knew her when she was younger? It is probably she was born black/white if she hasn't any brown hairs amongst the grey, but that is not certain, you really need to try and see what she was like as a foal.
Blue and white is only a temporary stage, when she is older she is likely to be white all over.
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Yes I know she will go white, yes I have photos of her as a foal, she was dark skew bald.
 
Gloi said:
The blue is the grey affecting the colour she was when she was born, do you know anyone who knew her when she was younger? It is probably she was born black/white if she hasn't any brown hairs amongst the grey, but that is not certain, you really need to try and see what she was like as a foal.
Blue and white is only a temporary stage, when she is older she is likely to be white all over.
If the mare is heterozygous black(one copy black and one chestnut) & white with grey,
bred with the palomino you could get
black
chestnut
black tobiano
chestnut tobiano
smokey black
smokey black tobiano
palomino
palomino tobiano
plus all the above colours turning to grey.
If she has anything else hiding behind the grey such as bay/dun/roan etc then you could get other things.
(Hopefully got that right!)
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Gloi said:
Black or dark bay or dark chestnut, do you know?
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Wow, this is very confusing, I THINK dark bay/ dark chestnut?Do you know how I could send photos as I would rather not post them. The patches are almost chocolate/dark brown/ liver chestnut coloured?
 
Maybe just crop out the coloured patch and post that. We know at least that she wasn't black and white. She could be either bay/white, dark chestnut/white or smokey black/white.
If she is chestnut/white that is the easiest as the foal can then only have chestnut from both parents
it could then be
Chestnut
chestnut tobiano
palomino
palomino tobiano
or any of those with grey

If she was bay/white then she could have all the colours as if she was black/white plus
bay
bay tobiano
buckskin
buckskin tobiano.
again with or without grey

If she was a smokey black/white she could have all the colours as per black/white plus
cremello
cremello tobiano
smokey cream
smokey cream tobiano
again with or without grey
 
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Gloi said:
Maybe just crop out the coloured patch and post that. We know at least that she wasn't black and white. She could be either bay/white, dark chestnut/white or smokey black/white.
If she is chestnut/white that is the easiest as the foal can then only have chestnut from both parents
it could then be
Chestnut
chestnut tobiano
palomino
palomino tobiano
or any of those with grey

If she was bay/white then she could have all the colours as if she was black/white plus
bay
bay tobiano
buckskin
buckskin tobiano.
again with or without grey

If she was a smokey black/white she could have all the colours as per black/white plus
cremello
cremello tobiano
perlino
perlino tobiano
smokey cream
smokey cream tobiano
smokey cream
again with or without grey
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Ok will post them soon, thank you so much!
 
Gloi said:
Maybe just crop out the coloured patch and post that. We know at least that she wasn't black and white. She could be either bay/white, dark chestnut/white or smokey black/white.
If she is chestnut/white that is the easiest as the foal can then only have chestnut from both parents
it could then be
Chestnut
chestnut tobiano
palomino
palomino tobiano
or any of those with grey

If she was bay/white then she could have all the colours as if she was black/white plus
bay
bay tobiano
buckskin
buckskin tobiano.
again with or without grey

If she was a smokey black/white she could have all the colours as per black/white plus
cremello
cremello tobiano
smokey cream
smokey cream tobiano
again with or without grey
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http://imgur.com/Hi2Pr1O
 
Sorry I can't directly post the photo but I think the link works if you copy it, I can't figure out how to do it properly on my phone.
 
Gosh it's really hard to tell but my best guess is that that is the brown foal coat of a black/white horse.
 
Gloi said:
Maybe just crop out the coloured patch and post that. We know at least that she wasn't black and white. She could be either bay/white, dark chestnut/white or smokey black/white.
If she is chestnut/white that is the easiest as the foal can then only have chestnut from both parents
it could then be
Chestnut
chestnut tobiano
palomino
palomino tobiano
or any of those with grey

If she was bay/white then she could have all the colours as if she was black/white plus
bay
bay tobiano
buckskin
buckskin tobiano.
again with or without grey

If she was a smokey black/white she could have all the colours as per black/white plus
cremello
cremello tobiano
smokey cream
smokey cream tobiano
again with or without grey
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Gloi said:
Gosh it's really hard to tell but my best guess is that that is the brown foal coat of a black/white horse.
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Thanks for your help!
 
Jazmyn101 said:
blue and white/grey tobiano
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Jazmyn101 said:
She isn't grey yet, she is only 5 so still a while before she goes grey
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As the colour possibilities of the foal have been covered, I thought that I'd pick up on the above points. :)

People do get confused with grey but it's very easy really. If a horse has a grey gene (or two) it IS a grey, even if it's only just starting to grey out eg a foal that's starting to get 'grey goggles'. It is always helpful to record what colour the foal was before greying out eg grey (chestnut). So your mare may not have completely greyed out yet, but she IS a grey tobiano. The white patches aren't grey as they have pink skin, they are the tobiano bits. The grey bits are the areas that you are calling 'blue' which is a misleading term IMO.
 
I find this so interesting! My friend bred her pure halflinger mare(chestnut with a flaxen mane and tail) to a heterozygous tobiano stallion. The result at 2 years old is a bay with a fawny coloured muzzle. Can you explain Faracat(or other colour people)? I think the foal may gray out as she has grey strands in her mane and tail. Is that possible.

Sorry to hijack OP.
 
haffys have pangare which is probably causing the fawn muzzle ;).

If neither parent is grey the foal won't be as grey is dominant.

OP I also think yours was black and white as a foal so greying heterozygous black tobiano x palo

Offspring Color Probability

put in here, not knowing agouti on sire or red factor on mare.
https://www.animalgenetics.us/Equine/CCalculator3.asp

4.69% -
Gray (Black) Tobiano
4.69% -
Smoky Black Tobiano
4.69% -
Gray (Bay)
4.69% -
Buckskin
4.69% -
Gray (Buckskin) Tobiano
4.69% -
Black Tobiano
4.69% -
Gray (Smoky Black)
4.69% -
Bay
4.69% -
Gray (Bay) Tobiano
4.69% -
Buckskin Tobiano
4.69% -
Gray (Black)
4.69% -
Smoky Black
4.69% -
Gray (Smoky Black) Tobiano
4.69% -
Bay Tobiano
4.69% -
Gray (Buckskin)
4.69% -
Black
3.13% -
Gray (Red (Chestnut/Sorrel))
3.13% -
Palomino
3.13% -
Gray (Palomino) Tobiano
3.13% -
Red (Chestnut/Sorrel)
3.13% -
Gray (Red (Chestnut/Sorrel)) Tobiano
3.13% -
Palomino Tobiano
3.13% -
Red (Chestnut/Sorrel) Tobiano
3.13% -
Gray (Palomino)
 
Faracat said:
As the colour possibilities of the foal have been covered, I thought that I'd pick up on the above points. :)

People do get confused with grey but it's very easy really. If a horse has a grey gene (or two) it IS a grey, even if it's only just starting to grey out eg a foal that's starting to get 'grey goggles'. It is always helpful to record what colour the foal was before greying out eg grey (chestnut). So your mare may not have completely greyed out yet, but she IS a grey tobiano. The white patches aren't grey as they have pink skin, they are the tobiano bits. The grey bits are the areas that you are calling 'blue' which is a misleading term IMO.
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So my horse is called grey tobiano? :)
 
kinnygirl1 said:
I find this so interesting! My friend bred her pure halflinger mare(chestnut with a flaxen mane and tail) to a heterozygous tobiano stallion. The result at 2 years old is a bay with a fawny coloured muzzle. Can you explain Faracat(or other colour people)? I think the foal may gray out as she has grey strands in her mane and tail. Is that possible.

Sorry to hijack OP.
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It's fine, go ahead :)
 
The grey strands could be very minimal tobiano but sometime wild bay ( bay + pangare) has some fawn in the mane as well as on the muzzle & legs.
 
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