What do you think this could be?

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Hello clever people of HHO
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I work on a private livery yard with only 8 horses, about 4 of them are owned by the actualy livery yard owners and the rest are privately owned, the owners don't come a lot as they are mainly uni students and their horses are cared for by staff at the yard.

On site is also a boarding kennels for dogs and everything is really structured so that both businesses (kennels and yard) are run well without any flaws etc. (This is relevant)


One of the horses there has recently, well over the past few months, been behaving weirdly. This happened after he went hunting (not the first time he'd been) and the first thoughts were just excitement etc from going out as he doesn't go out a lot, but when he continued to act weirdly (when I say weird, I mean quite different to normal) they worried there was something wrong with his health. They thought stomach ulcers.

They got him checked out, and had some unpleasant tests etc done on him, he has had bloods taken, many examinations- inside and out, and vets found nothing at all obviously wrong with his health.



Now they have no idea what it could be.
Next thought was 'old age'. But he is 17 and I don't class that as overly old, do you?
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he is well cared for and isn't aged or anything like that, so that idea is pretty much out the window.

Now, my boss/owner of yard thinks it could be something to do with his rountine being broken somewhere.

As I mentioned above, everything there is really structured, I mean the same thing happens every day at practically the same time.
Horses are fed at 7.50am, then dogs are sorted from 8am-10am, then horses are done 10am-12 midday.
Horses have their rugs sorted out, then they are turned out, mucked out, stay in the field until about 3.30pm/4pm then come in have rugs sorted again, are brushed, then skipped out, then fed.
They always go in the same fields with the same horses (most are separated)



This horse in particular has been at the yard for 6years, and the same thing happens every single day. The same people care for him (yard owners, me and two other workers) and he knows us all and he is (as are all the horses there) completely used to the routine.

This is why they think he is acting strange.

He has recently started to bite at his front rug straps when he has it on, and randomly going to bite himself, he has also been seen just staring into space (yard owner describes it as what someone who has 'lost it' may look like).

He is eating normally etc but has lost a lot of weight.



He has also started to get 'paranoid' for example, if you are late turning him out, he gets edgy.
If you are late bringing him in from the field, he stands at the gate and just waits and watches for someone to come and get him in.
If you're late to feed him his dinner, he just looks out his stable waiting for his food.

Hence why they think it's something to do with his routine.






Is it possible for him to stress about his daily routine?
Enough to make him act out of character and lose weight?

I know he isn't my horse or anything, but it's interested me, and I know this has worried a few people at the yard and his owner, they just want to know whats up.

Sorry that turned out so long, I wasn't expecting it to.

If you don't think its his routine/stress etc, what else could they check for?
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Thank you clever HHOers
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Did they test for liver function? Eyesight? Low grade colic? Gastric ulcer? Azoturia? Some obscure damage done when he went hunting eg hairline fracture of a leg? As a 17 yr old that doesn't go out a lot, I'm surprised anyone thought he could cope with eg 4hrs hunting. Heart problems as a result of this? Poor lad. Hope he recovers but I wouldn't take him hunting without a careful fittening programme in place.
 
You say the routine never changes throughout the thread.....it's all very structured and worked to a tight schedule...but then say if you're late to turn out/bring in/feed etc he acts weirdly.

Horses do like routine, especially if their routine has been so structured and precise for a number of years. Personally I'd find that routine far too boring and "samey" for my liking. I think my lot would be bored to have everything done for them at bang on the same time.

Is that all the turn out they get? 3 hours a day, even in summer? How often is the horse ridden? Is it unusually cold there for the horses to all be rugged too?
 
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Did they test for liver function? Eyesight? Low grade colic? Gastric ulcer? Azoturia? Some obscure damage done when he went hunting eg hairline fracture of a leg? As a 17 yr old that doesn't go out a lot, I'm surprised anyone thought he could cope with eg 4hrs hunting. Heart problems as a result of this? Poor lad. Hope he recovers but I wouldn't take him hunting without a careful fittening programme in place.

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Sorry, think I worded the 'doesn't go out a lot' very well.
He doesn't go to a lot of shows etc, he is hunted quite a lot and has in the past, and as far as I'm aware his ridden work would have been upped so he was fit enough - the rider (YO) would not have taken him if she thought he was not up to it.

First four suggestions were all checked for and nothing. Not sure about Azoturia and the damage you mentioned could have happened, but I think he was all okay in those areas.

It's hard to be 100% precise as like I say he isn't mine, I've just said everything I know.

Thank you for your reply, I also hope he recovers
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You say the routine never changes throughout the thread.....it's all very structured and worked to a tight schedule...but then say if you're late to turn out/bring in/feed etc he acts weirdly.

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As two businesses are run at once, and dogs are done first, if the kennels is busy, sometimes we are anything up to 30mins late to turn out/bring in etc, it's unusual to be that late, but when it does happen, he gets fidgety. It really is not that often, but on the odd occasion it happens he doesn't like it.


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Horses do like routine, especially if their routine has been so structured and precise for a number of years. Personally I'd find that routine far too boring and "samey" for my liking. I think my lot would be bored to have everything done for them at bang on the same time.

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I agree, it is all very "samey", but again, two businesses are run on site, and this routine has to be in place for horses and dogs to get the best care possible. And it works well and all of the horses are happy and comfortable in this routine.

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Is that all the turn out they get? 3 hours a day, even in summer? How often is the horse ridden? Is it unusually cold there for the horses to all be rugged too?

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The horses get about 6 hours turn out (go out at 10am, come in at about 4pm) and although that may not seem a lot, it works well for them, it is long enough for them to get out and 'stretch their legs' have a roll and eat some grass etc, before they come back in and stay in again over night.
They all get hay overnight, and during the day while they are in, they are also all fed morning and evening, and noone of them are overweight because of it etc.

Not entirely sure how much he is ridden as I'm not there every day, but this owner comes a lot more than the other owners, and hacks him out quite regularly, so he was quite fit before he started acting out of character.

It's not unusally cold either, someone mentioned in NL2 if he was biting his rug because he was too hot with them on, but I have put my hand under his rug many times and he doesn't seem too hot at all - I know that doesn't tell me everything, but as far as that goes I think it's okay.
I was shocked when I first started working there as they have their rugs on quite a lot, but they don't get too hot, they have stable rugs on at night (very thin ones) and usually during the day fly rugs or light weight 'rain coat' type things that are all very light, so I'm not sure its overheating.

Thank you for your reply Patches
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I'd certainly be looking at his liver closely. Self-mutilation and staring into space are sometimes neurological problems and liver damage/failure affects the brain. The fact that he has lost weight despite eating well coudd indicate this too.

My mare is really a creature of habit and routine. If I go down to see her at an unexpected time she is really perplexed by my sudden appearance. If I am late she stands waiting at the gate and then I get told off and made to feel very guilty so I have no doubt that change does stress some horses (and I think older animals are more affected).
 
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