what does the z and x mean?

[Malibu]

what does the x or z mean after a horses name, my hanoverian's sire is renomee XX, i have seen other stallions with z , what does this mean?

 

[anniedoherty]

Wow, at last a question that I can answer, that's a first! My horse is a Z horse and it means that he is from the Zangersheide stud in Holland. I assume they don't actually have to be born there but have to be by a Zangersheide stallion. Not sure about that bit really. He has a Z branded onto his thigh in a sort of shield.

 

[Malibu]

oh right so why does renomee have xx? and not just one x?

 

[Irishcobs]

I thought xx meant both parents are TBs. o is arab.Thats what it says in the British Sports horse graded stallions of 2007 book I have.
But that can't be right if yours if a han. Maybe it means they are pure bred of that breed.

Not sure what z means.

 

[Dotilas]

It could be a roman numeral(sp). Like XX would be 20 i think...

We have a mare on our yard called Tarrantella III which is Tarantella II's first filly foal... And so on.

You get lots of spanish bred horses with letters on the end of their names.

 

[anniedoherty]

I think the XX means 20.

 

[Malibu]

gosh so confused. well can be both tb as he is hanoxtb but registered as hano. He is branded and i have seen other stalliosn with xx so not roman numerals although by boy has II after his show name, so you think xx means 20, what does that mean?

 

[Malibu]

http://www.umass.edu/vasci/eqreprodctr/landsong.htm

look at wording at right of picture has oo, z and x's, gosh v. confused!

http://www.astrid-ue.de/celle1999/pages/34_renomee.htm

also here is the stallion, renomee xx

 

[Irishcobs]

Here the xx after all of the stallions and mares in his pedigree means they are pure TB.
http://www.stallions-online.net/stallion_/5121

 

[RachelB]

Yes that's right, xx means that one horse is TB.

 

[Malibu]

what is that website where you can look at a horses pedigree?

 

[cosmicblue]

XX means the horse was a TB

 

[S_N]

OK, the xx denotes a full TB. Often TB stallions are graded into the WB stud books to 'improve' the breed. So your horse could actually be 3/4 or full TB, but because perhaps the sire is an xx but graded with the Hanovarian stud book, officially he will be a HanxTB. Does that make sense?

The Z is a suffix. In this country we have Catherston Dazzler, had he been bred by the Zangersheide stud in Holland, then his name would have been Dazzler Z. Do you copy?

 

[Malibu]

oh i understand now, thanks, do you know thr webiste that you can look up horses pedigree?

 

[Malibu]

got the site, thanks

 

[S_N]

This one
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/

 

[Malibu]

got it, his sire is http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/renomee2 and it is his dam that is hano

 

[anniedoherty]

It is all a bit confusing isn't it? Ollie's dam is a Belgian Sports Horse and his sire a Holsteiner and he has also got TB and Selle Francais and one which I reallly don't understand called AA on his pedigree chart on his passport. Is this last one an Arab? Does anyone know?

 

[Bananaman]

Yes,as SN says, TBs have been used a lot to 'lighten' the warmbloods.

My Henry is branded Danish warmblood but his sire is full TB.......Helenikos xx

 

[Bananaman]

Yes, but Anglo Arab.

 

[anniedoherty]

Oh, if it helps the stallion which is AA also has an X after his name so not a TB.

 

[Malibu]

so my boy is pink papered, i cant remmeber what that means?

 

[anniedoherty]

Anglo Arab - thanks. Does the X after his name have any significance do you know like the XX denoting TB?

 

[Bananaman]

So after his name does it say AA then X or X then AA?

Out of interest, which horse is it?

 

[anniedoherty]

His name is Vanor X and underneath it says AA.

 

[Bananaman]

Ok, so my guess would have been Anglo x Tb....Which in my books still makes him an Anglo, so I checked on Allbreedspedigree and found him.

Yes, TB cross with Anglo Arab

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/vanor

 

[Irishcobs]

Is it a big X or a little x?
If its big its part if his name, if little its means one of his parents is a TB.
I would guess though its part of his name and his breed is AA Which why its underneath. As xo, means TB and Arab are the parents, when it follows their name.

 

[anniedoherty]

It's a big X and there are two stallions with two big XXs after their names as well - Furioso XX and Rantzau XX and they are both def TBs.

I looked at the link Bananaman and I can see that Vanor X is TB Anglo Arab cross but I am now puzzled because it says he is a Selle Francais? I think I am just getting more confused!

 

[Bananaman]

We need someone who is up on their Selle Francais breeding.

Indeed from the records he is Anglo x TB, (still Anglo to me!), but as there is no record of where he was bred, I'm wondering if it was in France.
As I understand it, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the Selle Francais is the French warmblood which has a lot of TB in the blood.
As we're going back 30 years here, maybe Vanor was bred in France and registered Selle Francais instead of Anglo Arab?

Just found this and it seems the Selle Francais do contain a lot of Anglo or pure bred Arab blood.....

http://www.sellefrancais.org/about.htm You learn something every day!

 

[anniedoherty]

Um you do learn something every day. Not sure if today's lesson has fully sunk in with me though! I can see Cor de la Bryere is mentionned in that last link and he's Ollie's Great Grand Sire. I think I'd better stop looking at breeding history now or my brain will get overloaded. There's a lot more to it than I realised.