What does TOBIANO mean?

[Cedars]

Its on my foalys passport and I've never heard it before? Pictures below if it helps!

 

[Bay_Beasty]

I was under the impression it was the American word for Coloured.

 

[Godknows]

Here you go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobiano

Have to say I do like the look of your horse.

 

[BobbyMondeo]

I always thought it was a skewbald with someblack in the mane and tail....might be wrong though

 

[Kub]

Tobiano is to do with the way the white markings appear on the horse.

Tobiano looks like someone has tipped a pot of paint over the horse, with a lot of white on top and coming down the sides. My boy is tobiano too

 

[steph91]

tobiano describes the colour markings, like the white marks look like they have been dripped by a paintbrush from above, whereas overo (i think) is where the white marks looks like they start from underneath the horse

 

[galaxy]

Tobiano, I was told, means that your horse pigmentation is dark, so is effectively white on coloured. Whereas skewbald is coloured on white.

 

[Bay_Beasty]

wow, never new it was to do with placing of white marks, I was wrong then . So cool. Flamehead, horsey is so pretty. Def looks painted from above

 

[starsnrunes]

It's to do with a mixture of the ratio of colour:white and the way that the markings are formed on the horse.

 

[Cedars]

Everyone is saying different things I'm confusseeeeeedddd! Lol.

I really don't care tbh she's my baby anyway =] keep it coming!

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

wow, never new it was to do with placing of white marks, I was wrong then . So cool. Flamehead, horsey is so pretty. Def looks painted from above

No, BB you were not wrong. For some reason we seem to have started to use American terms recently to describe British horses.
On a slightly different, but related, note, I wish people would realise that Wikipedia is not always right, any-one can post on there and mistakes are often made.

 

[Bay_Beasty]

true but I followed the post then geeked it up and did some extra research into it and found three different types of overo and then the tobiano, and the idea that mainly bay with white patch on top is correct tobiano, has to go either side, so over the back of the horse, otherwise is a overo. Super geek I am, and all that in 5 mins.

 

[TarrSteps]

It isn't really about "American" or "English", it's about specific coat patterns and genetics. "Coloured" or "Pinto" are just very general, terms like "tobiano", "overo" etc. give more information. (That said, Americans rarely use "piebald" or "skewbald", they describe the horse by the base coat colour and the pattern.)

http://www.horsefactsandfun.com/horsecolorpatterns.html

 

[Godknows]

No, BB you were not wrong. For some reason we seem to have started to use American terms recently to describe British horses.
On a slightly different, but related, note, I wish people would realise that Wikipedia is not always right, any-one can post on there and mistakes are often made.

Please enlighten us then as to what a Tobiano is??? I didn't realise Wikipedia was often wrong.

 

[Enfys]

According to the APHA (American Paint Horse Association) this is Tobiano:

http://www.apha.com/breed/tobiano.html

All other recognised (by them) patterns are described and shown, plus colours.

Tarrsteps, when I first got here and mentioned Piebald and Skewbald I got very blank looks, nobody had a clue what I was talking about!
"Paint you mean?" they'd say.

 

[Cedars]

Thats interesting Enfys thanks. The only thing she doesnt fit is the "oval spots" - in fact, if you can she in her photo her markings are actually really quite "blunt" and one of them is almost a perfect square! There is another one on the other side that is also really sharp, and scarily like a horses head.

Anyway, all the same, you learn something new everyday!!

So is she still technically skewbald though? She is registered with the piebald and skewbald ass....

 

[starsnrunes]

Thats interesting Enfys thanks. The only thing she doesnt fit is the "oval spots" - in fact, if you can she in her photo her markings are actually really quite "blunt" and one of them is almost a perfect square! There is another one on the other side that is also really sharp, and scarily like a horses head.

Anyway, all the same, you learn something new everyday!!

So is she still technically skewbald though? She is registered with the piebald and skewbald ass....

Don't worry she's still a skewbald....Skewbald refers to the fact she's brown and white....Tobiano refers to the style of her markings.

In america she'd be classes a brown tobiano paint (I think....someone correct me if i'm wrong) you can also have black tobianos (which to us would be Piebalds).

 

[cobface]

I have a tobiano little cob - i was under the impression that it has to do with how much white there is on the legs - i *think* its where there is no colour on the legs (there all white) and pink skin?? thats what i was told.
My little girl also has a *medicine hat and a shield* apparently a very sacred red indian folklore story i only found out today, i knew she was special

 

[starsnrunes]

Cob face I think she's more of a Tovero

According to the APHA "Dark pigmentation around the ears, which may expand to cover the forehead and/or eyes. One or both eyes blue. Dark pigmentation around the mouth, which may extend up the sides of the face and form spots. Chest spot(s) in varying sizes. These may also extend up the neck. Flank spot(s) ranging in size. These are often accompanied by smaller spots that extend forward across the barrel, and up over the loin. Spots, varying in size, at the base of the tail."

Sounds very much like you mare, but with out the colour around the mouth (and possibly the wall eye)

 

[Enfys]

Don't worry she's still a skewbald....Skewbald refers to the fact she's brown and white....Tobiano refers to the style of her markings.

In america she'd be classes a brown tobiano paint (I think....someone correct me if i'm wrong) you can also have black tobianos (which to us would be Piebalds).

Yes to all that.

As for the 'Paint' label, correctly it is to describe a horse registered with the APHA, but all coloured horses, regardless of size or shape are colloquially referred to as 'paint' as an easy method of identification. Colour is only used, eg, Black/sorrel/palomino etc, etc if there is more than one. That's how it works amongst the people I know anyway.

 

[Eluana]

Tobiano is a gene that causes pigment loss (turns the hair white) in certain areas on a horse. It affects the coat between ears & tail, and could just be 'shown' as leg white.
A 'true' tobiano will have no white on the face, if they do, it means they have other genes that are causing it.

From http://www.horse-genetics.com/tobiano-horses.html :
Tobiano horses may be either predominantly colored or white, or with a fairly even amount of white and color. They are identified by their white legs and solid colored head, whereas with other horses leg and face markings usually go together. Tobianos do not have extreme facial white, such as aprons or bald faces. White [face] markings indicate a combination of patterns, or a different pattern, such as sabino, frame overo or splash.

From http://www.colouredcontacts.co.uk/dnatestingfortobianogene.php :
The Tobiano gene is a dominant gene expressing in both horses that are heterozygous and homozygous for Tobiano. The gene is associated with the loss of pigmentation, leading to a horse with large white markings in certain defined areas. These markings can include some or all of the following:

* White oval-shaped patches crossing over the back.
* White Legs, extending from the hocks and knees down.
* Neck, face, and front of forelegs are generally unaffected.

A Tobiano horse will display one or more of these traits, although the extent of these Tobiano markings can vary. A ‘Minimally expressed’ Tobiano horse is coloured, but the pigment loss (the white areas) is often much less noticeable than what is commonly seen on a Tobiano horse.

Hopefully some of that is interesting/helpful - if not whoops on my part

 

[Kallibear]

In britian, where we have less coloured horses, the easiest way I remember them is:

tobiano have 'cowprint' markings and have patchy markings over the body and sabino have 'clydesdale' markings (the extremities inc the face have white slashy markings up them, inc the face).

You can have a mixture of both and sabino can be mimimal (just one white raggedy sock) or extensive (big white face, white legs and white running up the body)

We do have overo horses etc over here but it's unusual.

 

[Kallibear]

Although I someone would like to tell me what my Pipsqueak is, feel free!?

Tobiano with sabino, or somethings else? Mum is what I'd class a classic tobiano but dad is a more unusual markings with a big white face and odd patches.

 

[Enfys]

Although I someone would like to tell me what my Pipsqueak is, feel free!?

Tobiano with sabino, or somethings else? Mum is what I'd class a classic tobiano but dad is a more unusual markings with a big white face and odd patches.

Minefield!

Yes, Tobiano, definitely sabino and ....?

These are the dark faces that Eluana spoke of:

Cobface, APHA stock photo of a Tovero:

http://www.apha.com/breed/tovero.html

More info here:
http://www.answers.com/topic/overo#Tovero_and_other_mixed_patterns

 

[Aces_High]

My filly in my sig is a red dun tobiano. If I knew how to upload a pic I would! Confused with the URL thing it asks for. And yes Tobiano is the markings on the horse as has been mentioned!

 

[Cedars]

But I still don't understand! Puzzle's markings don't look like any of yours! I'll add lots of photos here. Her markings aren't oval shaped at all?!

Do you see what I mean about her markings having sharp edges and they're not typically "cow-like"!

Wah =[

 

[kizzywiz]

Apparently my Fleur is one, sounds very posh. What it means is that they have white legs, a coloured sheild shape on the chest & white over the withers. Hope that helps.

 

[Cedars]

aaah that makes sense, shes got all of those things!

 

[Battyoldbint]

Description


Courtesy of Linda Brown - Wizards Spell Ranch
The Tobiano (pronounced: tow be yah' no) coat pattern usually involves some white on all four legs and rounded white spots on the body with sharp, clean edges. The head of the horse is usually colored and will not have white caused by the Tobiano gene. The white on the body will generally cross the topline of the horse.
The Tobiano coat pattern is governed by a dominant gene, meaning that there only needs to be one copy of the gene (tobiano heterozygous-nT) for the tobiano coat pattern to be present. Homozygosity of the tobiano gene (TT-two copies of the tobiano gene) may show visual clues ("ink spots" or "paw prints") but only genetic testing will tell you more conclusively that the horse is homozygous for the Tobiano gene. When there is no presence of the tobiano gene (homozygous negative-nn), the tobiano coat pattern is not possible.

 

[Cedars]

Description


Courtesy of Linda Brown - Wizards Spell Ranch
The Tobiano (pronounced: tow be yah' no) coat pattern usually involves some white on all four legs and rounded white spots on the body with sharp, clean edges. The head of the horse is usually colored and will not have white caused by the Tobiano gene. The white on the body will generally cross the topline of the horse.
The Tobiano coat pattern is governed by a dominant gene, meaning that there only needs to be one copy of the gene (tobiano heterozygous-nT) for the tobiano coat pattern to be present. Homozygosity of the tobiano gene (TT-two copies of the tobiano gene) may show visual clues ("ink spots" or "paw prints") but only genetic testing will tell you more conclusively that the horse is homozygous for the Tobiano gene. When there is no presence of the tobiano gene (homozygous negative-nn), the tobiano coat pattern is not possible.

All true EXCEPT "rounded white spots on the body with sharp, clean edges".