What height and how much..??

[SatansLittleHelper]

My friend has bought a lovely well bred cob gelding by Hermits Desert Storm out of a really lovely coloured mare.
Sire is a spotted buckskin 13.3
Dam is a tobiano Piebald 14.2

Baby horse is 3 in June and approx 13.3/14hh now. He's blanket spot buckskin. Shown with his Mum as a foal and did extremely well. Registered with the spotted horse thingy (can't recall what it's proper name is)
What sort of height would you expect him to make...?? Knee to coronet string test say 14hh but the elbow to ergot and flip says bigger.
Also just out of general interest what would you expect to pay for something like this..??
1st Pic was taken by previous owner in the summer before his 2nd birthday when he was just 13.2 (he currently looks like a hippo/yak hybrid ??) Photos never seem to really do him justice.2nd and 3rd pics are 3 months old...he would not stand properly ???

 

[windand rain]

He looks nicely grown so wouldn't expect him to go much taller just fill out and look bigger

 

[SatansLittleHelper]

Thanks, he was just scraping 13.2 in that pic. He's actually a bit of the fat side and bum high at the moment which is why I wondered on eventual height ?
I'll try to add a current pic

 

[I'm Dun]

I'd be so worried about PSSM with that breeding that I wouldnt take him on for free. Current market probably in excess of 4k. I'd expect him to make around 14hands

 

[SatansLittleHelper]

Is there PSSM in the Hermits lines??

 

[SEL]

Is there PSSM in the Hermits lines??

Do they test?

 

[I'm Dun]

Do they test?

no

 

[I'm Dun]

Is there PSSM in the Hermits lines??

Both types of PSSM are very very common in cobs and anything with appy blood. This combination and lack of testing means I'd assume PSSM unless tested negative for type 1 and over 7 and in work with no issues

 

[SatansLittleHelper]

So does he need testing?? ?

 

[windand rain]

Might be a good idea as then you know what you are dealing with.

 

[SatansLittleHelper]

Thanks, I'll let her know

 

[ycbm]

So does he need testing?? ?

Is worth testing for type 1 as it's cheap and easy, if you have symptoms. I'm not sure I understand the point of testing an asymptomatic horse that you already own. Type 2 test is not approved for clinical diagnosis, it's too unreliable at present.

This PSSM stuff is reminding me of how Derek Knottenbelt effectively destroyed the value of any horse with a sarcoid by announcing on video "a horse with a sarcoid has no value".

The disease has been around for centuries. In working horses rested on a Sunday it was known as Monday Morning Disease.
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[SatansLittleHelper]

The sire isn't owner by Hermits, he's with someone who bought as a foal

Sire is tested negative PSSM n/n

 

[SEL]

BTW he's very nice. My friend and I were only joking the other day about how our cobby types never really get out of the bum high stage (makes for an interesting saddle fit) so you might find there's not much to go upwards.

Good that the sire is negative for type 1. Would I test now? Probably given it took me a while when backing my part-bred Appy to get to the bottom of why she seemed NQR. I definitely wouldn't have chucked her in a field for some down time if I'd had any idea about it that's for certain. Live and learn.....

 

[I'm Dun]

For £30 I'd test now. You only need one copy of the gene to have it, but the sire being n/n is good news! Type 2 is a wait and see game. They might have improved the test by the time hes mature although I'm not convinced they will. Its why I probably won't buy a youngster again, its not worth the risk for me.

 

[SatansLittleHelper]

I'll tell her, and get her to check with the breeder of the mare was tested

 

[Clodagh]

I'll tell her, and get her to check with the breeder of the mare was tested

I don’t think I would tell her, she’ll only worry incessantly if it’s yes and if she doesn’t know about it now why bother? Just MO. He’s very eye catching. Gorgeous colour.

 

[ycbm]

I don’t think I would tell her, she’ll only worry incessantly if it’s yes and if she doesn’t know about it now why bother? Just MO. He’s very eye catching. Gorgeous colour.

This absolutely. I tested mine when I bought him only because I'm never committed to keeping a horse when I buy it and I wanted to know, being half appy and high risk, whether I might possibly have any problems selling him on. There's absolutely no point worrying yourself, that I know of, by testing a completely asymptomatic horse that you don't intend to sell.
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[I'm Dun]

I don’t think I would tell her, she’ll only worry incessantly if it’s yes and if she doesn’t know about it now why bother? Just MO. He’s very eye catching. Gorgeous colour.

Because if he has it, it needs managing. They are very often asymptomatic till they mature, and PSSM, on the whole, is woefully underdiagnosed. Its better to test and know and manage it, than have a 5yr old have a catastrophic tie up event.

 

[[153312]]

My friend has bought a lovely well bred cob gelding by Hermits Desert Storm out of a really lovely coloured mare.
Sire is a spotted buckskin 13.3
Dam is a tobiano Piebald 14.2

Baby horse is 3 in June and approx 13.3/14hh now. He's blanket spot buckskin. Shown with his Mum as a foal and did extremely well. Registered with the spotted horse thingy (can't recall what it's proper name is)
What sort of height would you expect him to make...?? Knee to coronet string test say 14hh but the elbow to ergot and flip says bigger.
Also just out of general interest what would you expect to pay for something like this..??
1st Pic was taken by previous owner in the summer before his 2nd birthday when he was just 13.2 (he currently looks like a hippo/yak hybrid ??) Photos never seem to really do him justice.2nd and 3rd pics are 3 months old...he would not stand properly ???View attachment 88478View attachment 88479View attachment 88480

OMFG I LOVE HIM

maybe finish 14.3h

and pay £2k unbroken, if ride and drive maybe £5-£6k

BUT that's if he's free of PSSM
if he has PSSM he's worth £500 tops as a pretty, expensive pet

And for the horse's sake, you need to tell her, obviously! Can't believe people are really saying about an animal that could likely have an incredibly painful genetic condition not to tell the owner so as to avoid worrying them, ridiculous and inhumane

 

[southerncomfort]

Oh my! He's gorgeous! ?

 

[Hepsibah]

I'd expect another couple of inches out of him before he's done.

 

[SatansLittleHelper]

I've spoken to her, she understands the implications of his breeding and doesn't want to stress about testing unless he starts to show signs later on which is fair enough I guess.
At present he is a very happy, healthy little chap with a superb temperament.
He's going to be a hack and in hand show pony so nothing strenuous.

 

[ycbm]

And for the horse's sake, you need to tell her, obviously! Can't believe people are really saying about an animal that could likely have an incredibly painful genetic condition not to tell the owner so as to avoid worrying them, ridiculous and inhumane

Snail there are probably thousands of horses with PSSM in full work with completely oblivious owners. It is not always, and I would argue not even normally "an incredibly painful condition". It's a condition which varies from asymptomatic to debilitating, with many managed relatively easily.

There is no point, imo, in testing an asymptomatic horse that you don't intend to sell.
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[canteron]

I'd be so worried about PSSM with that breeding that I wouldnt take him on for free. Current market probably in excess of 4k. I'd expect him to make around 14hands

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing? Looks completely gorgeous and a lovely type (such a negative and truly unlikely, message should have been sent privately if they really have the knowledge to make it). Have a lot of fun with such a great type of pony.

 

[I'm Dun]

Snail there are probably thousands of horses with PSSM in full work with completely oblivious owners.
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This part is certainly true. Doesnt make those horses happy and symptom free though sadly. I would strongly question most owners abilities to judge if a PSSM horse is asymptomatic or not seeing how woefully underdiagnosed it is.

When mine was diagnosed a couple of years ago, three friends all tested their cobs, no one was having specific issues andit wouldnt have occurred to them to do it had they not seen me talking about it. All 3 came back positive. All 3 improved once treated correctly.

Without a catastrophic tie up event its very easy for owners to be oblivious.

 

[Btomkins]

I had my pb Appaloosa tested young. He was asymptomatic and is with me for life. I wanted to know ahead of time if I should be looking out for anything. Don’t know anyone that wouldn’t for the sake of £30. He is thankfully negative

 

[shortstuff99]

Crikey, the PSSM thing is a huge thing now. This was always my worry with the genetic testing of asymptomatic horses (same with humans) when there isn't a full understanding of the genetics behind the condition. There is still no (peer reviewed) proof that having what they are classing as PSSM 2 genes causes disease.

I think he is a great looking cob. I have had quite a few cobs and can't say PSSM was ever an issue ?‍.

 

[[153312]]

Thing is pssm symptoms are so widespread in some types (cobs and appaloosas for instance) that it's basically become a breed trait, saying these animals are commonly slow/lazy/stubborn etc when it's more than likely undiagnosed PSSM and not natural for them/how they should be. and any horse with PSSM that's not being managed correctly is almost certainly very uncomfortable.

 

[shortstuff99]

Oh my cobs have never been slow or lazy ?