What indicates a dun/buckskin?

[shadowboy]

I have a rising 2 year old sec D X Unknown. He's currently shedding his winter coat and the colour appearing beneath it is unlike any I've seen before. He has a mealy muzzle that is a pale caramel colour including round his eyes. His fetlocks and lower leg is a kind of ashen/silvery chocolate colour and he had almost blonde/caramel coloured armpits and tummy. His main coat looks a bright bay with a lot of white hairs flecked within (almost roan) . His mane is dark bay but his tail is bay streaked with silver. All really odd. Any idea if this is a form of dun? Or is it just typical bay colouring? His passport states he is bay.

 

[Wagtail]

I have a rising 2 year old sec D X Unknown. He's currently shedding his winter coat and the colour appearing beneath it is unlike any I've seen before. He has a mealy muzzle that is a pale caramel colour including round his eyes. His fetlocks and lower leg is a kind of ashen/silvery chocolate colour and he had almost blonde/caramel coloured armpits and tummy. His main coat looks a bright bay with a lot of white hairs flecked within (almost roan) . His mane is dark bay but his tail is bay streaked with silver. All really odd. Any idea if this is a form of dun? Or is it just typical bay colouring? His passport states he is bay.

Can you post a picture or link? Sounds lovely. Not dun from your description but may be golden buckskin or something else entirely, maybe bay with pangare. The white flecking and silver streaking could be sabino.

 

[shadowboy]

I'll get some pictures this afternoon 😀 He's a freebie that was dumped on my friend as his owner went AWOL but thankfully she had the foresight to keep the passport on her livery yard. Her owner abandoned him in Novemeber last year - I've had him since 7th Feb. So no one knows what he typically looks like in summer clothing!

 

[TTK]

I'm not a colour expert but if he has a dorsal stripe, he's a dun. If not, very likely a buckskin.

 

[Echo24]

He needs a dorsal stripe and stripes on his legs to be officially a dun. Otherwise he could be buckskin but I believe that depends on genetics

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?277685-Difference-between-buckskin-and-dun

 

[Meowy Catkin]

I'm not a colour expert but if he has a dorsal stripe, he's a dun. If not, very likely a buckskin.

It's not quite that simple. Buckskins can have dorsal stripes too.

http://www.grullablue.com/colors/dun_factor_markings.htm

*Looks forwards to the photos*

 

[Wagtail]

I'm not a colour expert but if he has a dorsal stripe, he's a dun. If not, very likely a buckskin.

Duns tend to have darker heads than their bodies where as buckskins have lighter heads (especially muzzle and around eyes). This is why I don't think the OP's horse is a dun. Could be wrong though. Looking forwards to the pics.

A good comparison is here, about 3/4 down the page http://unicornsofkalidore.angelfire.com/staff.html

 

[Enfys]

I look forwards to seeing the photo, from your description he could be lots of things, sounds like pangare, rabicano, maybe silver, or wild bay or sooty, easy to guess online.

 

[Enfys]

It's not quite that simple.

Yes, mine does although she's a sooty not Grulla.

 

[shadowboy]

Have put photos on here

https://m.facebook.com/lina.ibrahim..._t=like&notif_id=1462128340258986&ref=m_notif

 

[ester]

Dun is very rare in welshies Duns also have a whole heap of indicators and a slightly different tone of body dilution to cream (buckskin). He is bay, probably with pangare but would prefer a full body pic for that

 

[Meowy Catkin]

Can't see the photos.

 

[shadowboy]

Oh no! I've set the folder to public so it should be viewable

 

[Paint Me Proud]

Wild bay with pangare maybe? Like this guy - http://myhorseforum.com/threads/bay-with-awesome-frosting.506100/

 

[shadowboy]

Wild bay with pangare maybe? Like this guy - http://myhorseforum.com/threads/bay-with-awesome-frosting.506100/

His tail is very very similar to that - there is some silvering in the mane but not enough to stand out from a distance. He's sort of between coats so I won't know if he looks as bright as that until the full summer coat is in but it certainly looks to be that way.

 

[Wagtail]

Wild bay with pangare maybe? Like this guy - http://myhorseforum.com/threads/bay-with-awesome-frosting.506100/

Exactly what I thought. Wild bay with pangare

 

[Enfys]

Definitely bay, probably wild bay, I had an arab mare that was wild bay she had a dark line down the back of her legs, but not the usual black points of a regular bay.

 

[shadowboy]

I did think he was bay but the odd leg and tail colours were what was throwing me. Never had a bay like that. Just now got to play a waiting game on height for the next 2 years.

 

[ester]

Even a lot of bay non pangares can have a lot of pale/cream/silvery hair on their legs.

 

[On the Hoof]

Can I piggy back off this thread and ask what colour you think my mare is please? She is described as Dun on passport but from what I'm reading here ( and it's all a bit technical for me) she may not be. She Is silvery grey underneath with dapples, has silver in the mane, but red lowlights in her tail.

 

[Wagtail]

Can I piggy back off this thread and ask what colour you think my mare is please? She is described as Dun on passport but from what I'm reading here ( and it's all a bit technical for me) she may not be. She Is silvery grey underneath with dapples, has silver in the mane, but red lowlights in her tail.

Definitely not dun but may be buckskin. Hard to tell when clipped. Could even be light bay, but I think buckskin, personally.

 

[ester]

I say buckskin, particularly with the mane frosting.

 

[On the Hoof]

Definitely not dun but may be buckskin. Hard to tell when clipped. Could even be light bay, but I think buckskin, personally.

Thanks here is her unclipped

 

[Wagtail]

Thanks here is her unclipped

In that picture she looks very light bay to me with sooty (dapples). However, she may be a beautiful golden buckskin. Very rare to get them that rich in colour though. She's lovely.

 

[On the Hoof]

In that picture she looks very light bay to me with sooty (dapples). However, she may be a beautiful golden buckskin. Very rare to get them that rich in colour though. She's lovely.

Thank you I think she is gorgeous but I am biased

 

[ester]

nope she is def sooty buckskin to me (sooty gene not identified though).

 

[On the Hoof]

Thank you both, well at least I know she isn't a Dun now but some kind of buckskin. Her colours change so much, one year she was just the palest yellow and the next as in the picture unclipped. The dapples come and go as well. I think she likes to keep me guessing.

 

[Wagtail]

Thank you both, well at least I know she isn't a Dun now but some kind of buckskin. Her colours change so much, one year she was just the palest yellow and the next as in the picture unclipped. The dapples come and go as well. I think she likes to keep me guessing.

Buckskins do change colour a lot. My mare was born the pale caramel, and is now a kind of dark pewter.

 

[LiffWee93]

op, your pony is a very similar colour to mine she started with a totally silver mane and tail as a baby, which have both darkened over age... her legs are brown, not black, with light hairs on particularly in winter shes always been described as "bright bay"

she still have silver in her mane and tail but only single hairs spread evenly throughout.
sorry i couldnt fid a better photo to show her legs!

 

[shadowboy]

op, your pony is a very similar colour to mine she started with a totally silver mane and tail as a baby, which have both darkened over age... her legs are brown, not black, with light hairs on particularly in winter shes always been described as "bright bay"

she still have silver in her mane and tail but only single hairs spread evenly throughout.
sorry i couldnt fid a better photo to show her legs!

Aw what a cutie! Is yours a welshie?