mystiandsunny
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Just wondering. I know that most horses can definitely manage a 90cm spread, but how much higher can 'most' horses go? Where is the line drawn between those with talent, and those that are just ok?
What is the max height that the average horse without probs can jump?
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only_me
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1.10m is what i have been told that a horse can jump without much assistance from rider; any higher and rider needs to help
kerilli
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i was told a long time ago that ANY horse can jump 4'6" if it really wants/needs to.
i've never found one that couldn't... but that is one fence, in extremis, kind of thing.
as far as jumping courses though, i'd say any fit, well horse should be able to jump a 1.15 track, perhaps with a good jockey if horse is limited or underconfident.
courses from 1.25 upwards require something a bit more special, i reckon. anything 1.40 upwards, very special imho!
i've never found one that couldn't... but that is one fence, in extremis, kind of thing.
as far as jumping courses though, i'd say any fit, well horse should be able to jump a 1.15 track, perhaps with a good jockey if horse is limited or underconfident.
courses from 1.25 upwards require something a bit more special, i reckon. anything 1.40 upwards, very special imho!
TinselRider
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When Ban is fit and healthy he can pop 1m45 no worries and we school over 1m30 courses when he is fit (hes just a box standard ISH by a dressage stallion)
But I have owned a very well bred warmblood that strugled with anything over 3'3"
I think it depends entirely on the horse
But I have owned a very well bred warmblood that strugled with anything over 3'3"
I think it depends entirely on the horse
dieseldog
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As a course, with related distances etc, the average horse should be able to do British Novice and probably Discovery. Newcomers (1.10) is where it starts getting hard.
If you read horse for sale adverts those with talent start at British Novice/Intro level
If you read horse for sale adverts those with talent start at British Novice/Intro level
kerilli
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haha DieselDog, i reckon anything i could jump on my own 2 feet without the aid of a horse really does not require a horse to have "talent"!!!
Festive_Felicitations
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I broke in a 13.2hh, 3yr old QH (not breed known to jump) colt that could, and would jump a series of 6ft ( I measured them) coral fences to get back into his field it was really annoying, but very impressive!
His favourite route out, was out of the corner, 3 strides to the first land, 3 strides land, 2 strides and out and he never touched a single one! I dont know he could have done it with a rider though... even so if I wasn't 5'11'' I would have bought him on the spot!
Photo of him, not jumping sadly.
http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww346/Felicity_09/Golondor.jpg
But I agree with the others with a rider most horses can clear 1.05 -1.10 m above that and they need some natural talent / inclination.
His favourite route out, was out of the corner, 3 strides to the first land, 3 strides land, 2 strides and out and he never touched a single one! I dont know he could have done it with a rider though... even so if I wasn't 5'11'' I would have bought him on the spot!
Photo of him, not jumping sadly.
http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww346/Felicity_09/Golondor.jpg
But I agree with the others with a rider most horses can clear 1.05 -1.10 m above that and they need some natural talent / inclination.
Thistle
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Felicity, I'm not surprised he could jump given the size of his engine (backend!)
flyingfeet
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I think in BSJA terms discovery is the limit of a horse without talent for the job.
In terms of jumping one jump 1.20m is easy on most, but to jump big spread and related distances Disco which is 1.10m in the JO is the limit.
Newcomers with a 1.20m JO and very large spreads will make the mice jack it in.
In terms of jumping one jump 1.20m is easy on most, but to jump big spread and related distances Disco which is 1.10m in the JO is the limit.
Newcomers with a 1.20m JO and very large spreads will make the mice jack it in.
kerilli
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Felicity, that's a great story. must admit, i've seen a few quarter horses and thought "with a back end like that, it should be able to jump a house."
i wonder if anyone wants to send one for a trial at eventing!
i wonder if anyone wants to send one for a trial at eventing!
MandyMoo
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i think any course should be able to pop a fence of 1m10 no problem...
i think absolutley any horse is capable of doing british novice (90cm) and discovery courses (1m)...but i think when it gets to newcomers (1m10) it gets a bit more technical and it requires a bit more, so you need a slightly more talented horse...when it gets to foxhunter (1m10) and bigger i think a horse needs to have a lot of talent and will to do it xx
i think absolutley any horse is capable of doing british novice (90cm) and discovery courses (1m)...but i think when it gets to newcomers (1m10) it gets a bit more technical and it requires a bit more, so you need a slightly more talented horse...when it gets to foxhunter (1m10) and bigger i think a horse needs to have a lot of talent and will to do it xx
Festive_Felicitations
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He does have a decent engine doesnt he!
He gets it off his dad who could drop you out the back door of a western saddle if you did 3,2,1..GO from a stand still and weren't hanging on! Never felt power like it before or since...
Part of the bump is because he was only 3 and still growing, so not a true jumpers bump sadly...
Kerrili there is an Australian event horse who was at HK who is 1/4 QH, 1/4 stock horse, 1/2 TB.
Ringwood Jaguar ridden by Sonia Johnson. A lovely horse, lacks a bit of elevation in his paces to really do well in the DR.
He gets it off his dad who could drop you out the back door of a western saddle if you did 3,2,1..GO from a stand still and weren't hanging on! Never felt power like it before or since...
Part of the bump is because he was only 3 and still growing, so not a true jumpers bump sadly...
Kerrili there is an Australian event horse who was at HK who is 1/4 QH, 1/4 stock horse, 1/2 TB.
Ringwood Jaguar ridden by Sonia Johnson. A lovely horse, lacks a bit of elevation in his paces to really do well in the DR.
Santa_Claus
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agree with majority of above that with the right jockey any horse should be capable of 1m10 tracks (but may very well struggle with the jump offs so Discovery good bench mark)
Something above average but not brilliant can normally go to about 1m30 level, above that you need some serious horse power and when to dizzy heights of the major internationals you need one of the rare gems!!
In terms of single fences I haven't met a horse yet (when ridden correctly and also given potential aids of placing poles) that couldn't jump 1m20-30.
There are though always exceptions. I can't remember which international rider it was but he had a top (eg freak like good) mare and bred some foals from it and one in particular was useless and couldn't jump happily round a course of more than a 1m. That was years ago in H&H i read that actually!
Something above average but not brilliant can normally go to about 1m30 level, above that you need some serious horse power and when to dizzy heights of the major internationals you need one of the rare gems!!
In terms of single fences I haven't met a horse yet (when ridden correctly and also given potential aids of placing poles) that couldn't jump 1m20-30.
There are though always exceptions. I can't remember which international rider it was but he had a top (eg freak like good) mare and bred some foals from it and one in particular was useless and couldn't jump happily round a course of more than a 1m. That was years ago in H&H i read that actually!
OneInAMillion
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I ride a 14.2hh who isn't what I would call "very talented" but he will try his heart out for you and he jumped a square parallel just under 1m40 :O but he can jump a 1m20 course quite happily, but its mainly because he will try his hardest
MagicMelon
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I think most horses can jump 4ft if they really need to (including heavies) like over gates etc! I think with a rider on board it differs hugely - some horses could jump massive but dont have the attitude to do so. With my current horses - one is jumping 1.20 BSJA but I wouldnt expect him to jump much bigger than say 1.25 courses (probably due to my riding!!), whereas my other horse is a 15.2hh Welsh Cob - he's not built for jumping huge - he jumps like a deer so I believe could pop a massive fence but he would struggle round a 1.10m course purely because he pings all over the place jumping things with loads of room to spare. My little 13.2hh native (now retired) used to pop 4ft easily with me when I was a kid.
TarrSteps
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As all have said, big difference between a fence here and there and a full course. Back in the dark ages before metric I think the general consensus was an average horse with decent preparation and a reasonable ride can haul itself over 3'6". Then there's another level over 4'-4'6" where you start to need a good athlete and an able, consistent ride, another at "small GP" where everything is talented and well produced but only a few make that next jump to GP. I have the sense the "average" heights have risen slightly as "custom bred" jumping horses have entered the general population.
TarrSteps
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Felicity, that's a great story. must admit, i've seen a few quarter horses and thought "with a back end like that, it should be able to jump a house."
i wonder if anyone wants to send one for a trial at eventing!
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There are scads of them doing the lower levels in North America in part because there are just so many of them about! The more traditional ones are usually good jumpers but lack the movement and galloping ability to go too far on but having said that, there is so much TB in the breed now many of them are more than capable. I'm sure there are many in the upper levels listed as "unknown" or "TB x" for reasons too complicated to go into here.
Felicity, that's a great story. must admit, i've seen a few quarter horses and thought "with a back end like that, it should be able to jump a house."
i wonder if anyone wants to send one for a trial at eventing!
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There are scads of them doing the lower levels in North America in part because there are just so many of them about! The more traditional ones are usually good jumpers but lack the movement and galloping ability to go too far on but having said that, there is so much TB in the breed now many of them are more than capable. I'm sure there are many in the upper levels listed as "unknown" or "TB x" for reasons too complicated to go into here.